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#127REDACTED, Posted: Oct 19 2009 at 2:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nadenu,
#128 Oct 19 2009 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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Xarus,

The OP compared the two. If you have a problem with that take it up with the OP, or better yet start another thread discussing just Halliburton.

Jophiel asks me to ignore lots of things. Ignore what this person said. Ignore who this person was associated with. Ignore who's running of the govn.

Near as I can tell this entire thread is nothing more than another bash Halliburton thread. And the comparison being made between Halliburton and Acorn was basically if you're going to condemn one company for the actions of a few then you have to condemn all companies for the actions of a few. And yes Acorn is knee deep in voter fraud as well as advising prostitutes/pimps how to deal with the tax consequences involving child prostitution.

I think we can all agree child prostitution and rape are terrible things, but if you had to pick which one is worse which would it be?
Threads change. People acknowledged that Acorn had problems, and were fine with investigations and cutting off funding. Then they tried to get you to address Haliburton separately as that was part of the OP. You couldn't, but it's ok, we know why.
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#129 Oct 19 2009 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Nadenu,

At least mine were around and sober.


So were mine. What's your point?
#130 Oct 19 2009 at 2:39 PM Rating: Excellent
publiusvarus wrote:

I think we can all agree child prostitution and rape are terrible things, but if you had to pick which one is worse which would it be?


Rape is worse, you fUcking dumb piece of ****, because child prostitution is just a variety of rape.
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publiusvarus wrote:
I think we can all agree child prostitution and rape are terrible things, but if you had to pick which one is worse which would it be?

Why would I have to pick?

I mean, aside from trying to avoid talking about Halliburton.
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#132REDACTED, Posted: Oct 19 2009 at 3:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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He didn't ask you to compare them. He said that you shouldn't be comparing them, acknowledged that acorn had problems and then asked you to objectively assess Haliburton by itself.
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#134 Oct 19 2009 at 3:37 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
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Why would I have to pick?

I mean, aside from trying to avoid talking about Halliburton.


Because you asked me to pick. And if you can't say that a company enabling child prostitution is worse than one who covers up a woman that's gang raped that's your problem. Don't ask me to quantify then refuse to do so yourself.

Do you have any idea how to evaluate something political without setting it against an example with similarities from the opposite partisanship?

Edited, Oct 19th 2009 4:38pm by AshOnMyTomatoes
#135 Oct 19 2009 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
Jophed,

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Why would I have to pick?

I mean, aside from trying to avoid talking about Halliburton.


Because you asked me to pick. And if you can't say that a company enabling child prostitution is worse than one who covers up a woman that's gang raped that's your problem. Don't ask me to quantify then refuse to do so yourself.

Do you have any idea how to evaluate something political without setting it against an example with similarities from the opposite partisanship?


The answer is no. Parrots echo, but do not think.
#136 Oct 19 2009 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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Sometimes I think varrus is just an experiment someone is playing on us. Either to get us to think more clearly on our own ideas and viewpoints, or to waste our time, one of the two.

We can all agree time is being wasted, whichever the case.
#137 Oct 19 2009 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
Professor AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Sometimes I think varrus is just an experiment someone is playing on us. Either to get us to think more clearly on our own ideas and viewpoints, or to waste our time, one of the two.

We can all agree time is being wasted, whichever the case.


I refuse to agree to that. What if you go and murder millions of people? I don't want people to say I agreed with the second Hitler.
#138 Oct 19 2009 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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Professor AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Sometimes I think varrus is just an experiment someone is playing on us. Either to get us to think more clearly on our own ideas and viewpoints, or to waste our time, one of the two.

We can all agree time is being wasted, whichever the case.
I think the experiment is entering a new phase, as varus is becoming much worse at ignoring his own posts. He wasn't always quite this internally inconsistent. He used to somewhat follow a thread, rather then just making everything up.
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#139 Oct 19 2009 at 3:46 PM Rating: Good
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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Professor AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Sometimes I think varrus is just an experiment someone is playing on us. Either to get us to think more clearly on our own ideas and viewpoints, or to waste our time, one of the two.

We can all agree time is being wasted, whichever the case.


I refuse to agree to that. What if you go and murder millions of people? I don't want people to say I agreed with the second Hitler.
You've already quoted AND been quoted by the potential future second Hitler. So you're ****** no matter what.
#140 Oct 19 2009 at 3:49 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Professor AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Sometimes I think varrus is just an experiment someone is playing on us. Either to get us to think more clearly on our own ideas and viewpoints, or to waste our time, one of the two.

We can all agree time is being wasted, whichever the case.
I think the experiment is entering a new phase, as varus is becoming much worse at ignoring his own posts. He wasn't always quite this internally inconsistent. He used to somewhat follow a thread, rather then just making everything up.
Not at all. In fact, he could be an algorithm of some kind. Someone says something like "TARP Fund" or something, and the algorithm kicks in, blanketing us in snippets from various wingnut websites. This could even explain the unorthodox quote method.

Then when you try to wield some reason at it, it gets a bit confused, and cycles onto the next talking point that's mildly related.

I bet Stubs wrote it.
#141 Oct 19 2009 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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#142 Oct 19 2009 at 3:59 PM Rating: Good
Professor AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Professor AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Sometimes I think varrus is just an experiment someone is playing on us. Either to get us to think more clearly on our own ideas and viewpoints, or to waste our time, one of the two.

We can all agree time is being wasted, whichever the case.


I refuse to agree to that. What if you go and murder millions of people? I don't want people to say I agreed with the second Hitler.
You've already quoted AND been quoted by the potential future second Hitler. So you're @#%^ed no matter what.


I'm standing up to your tyranny. Nothing incriminating about that.
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publiusvarus wrote:
Because you asked me to pick.

I've asked you repeatedly not to pick but to discuss the Halliburton case on its own merits. You refuse to do so. Which is pretty telling but, hey, whatever.

I've repeatedly said I was fine with Acorn being defunded. You can't say the same about Halliburton either because of some blind partisanship or because you're fine with women being kidnapped and gangraped. I'd like to think it's the former but, hey, who knows. Maybe you're just into kidnapping and gangraping women. God knows you'll do anything to avoid speaking out against it including trying to diminish her case.
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#144 Oct 19 2009 at 8:41 PM Rating: Good
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I'd say that it's mind bogglingly probably that many, many more than 5/300,000,000 people have that moral dysfunction yes. I'm not using acorn as my population sameple gbaji, and there is no compelling reason to do so. If I were to repeat this experiment in other locations and other circumstances, and if I were to bet on nothing else than the random chance of the genetic or societal influences of a population of America, I would be flabbergasted if at least 1 million of them did not have the same moral dysfunction.


I'm way more surprised that these people were doing this legally dubious consulting pro bono.
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#145 Oct 20 2009 at 5:20 AM Rating: Decent
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A question, and I come from this knowing only what I have read in this thread and a few of the links I have had time to read, how is it that the employees of Haliburton are not the focus of criminal proceedings?

I note that JLJ's foundation is looking for a change in law to allow the prosecution of US citizens who commit offences abroad, although I may not have read this correctly as it sounds like a legal minefield.



#146 Oct 20 2009 at 5:51 AM Rating: Default
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Ignoring the asinine remarks about subverting democracy, this tells me that you're perfectly okay then with covering up rape just as long as you can find other things to cry about. Pretty fucked up of you but... yeah. Noted.


Well, but to put the shoe on the other foot, it tells me that you're perfectly ok with using someone's rape to avoid discussing some other wrong that's being committed. As I pointed out way back in this thread, the whole purpose of this thread was to make yet another "It doesn't matter what Acorn did, look at what <some other conservatively associated group or person> did!!!" distraction.

It was childish when the thread was started, and it's gone downhill from there. Yes. This womans rape was a tragedy. Absolutely we should go after those responsible to the greatest degree possible. And yes, we should produce greater oversight for civilian contractors working for the government in foreign countries.

But the sad fact is that women get raped. Children get abducted. People homes burn down. Their dogs die. All manner of personal tragedies occur every day. That's a reality. It's one we should work to reduce, but it's utterly unfair to use a single tragedy in an attempt to change the subject from something you don't want to talk about. Also, it is fair to say that the things which affect the structure of our laws and society are more important on a broad scale than any single one of those tragedies.

This may sound callous, but it's really not. The actions of Acorn, and the ramifications for the country I live in resulting from their actions and those of other organizations operating under the same rules (or lack thereof), affect me, you, and virtually every other person on the planet more than the rape of a single women. I made a point earlier about how we're not just talking about oversight to prevent events like what happened to Jones from happening again, but are actually taking action. You just showed the proof that we are dealing with not just Halliburton, and this specific case, but with future such situations as well. I'll ask again: When do we take similar action with regard to how we hand out government funds domestically? When to we not just go after the single players involved with the various Acorn scandals, but put some kind of legislation in place to try to prevent those sorts of abuses from happening again?


There's a double standard here. That's the real tragedy. And guess what? The one that's being ignored affects us more than the one we're dealing with promptly. If that's not backwards, I don't know what is...
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Well, but to put the shoe on the other foot, it tells me that you're perfectly ok with using someone's rape to avoid discussing some other wrong that's being committed.

Yeah, except that for the eleven billionth time, I said I was perfectly fine with Acorn being defunded because of what happened. See, you keep trying to use "But what about Acorn!?!!" as an excuse not to talk about Halliburton. But that doesn't work when I've already talked about Acorn and accepted their fate as a perfectly good thing.

But keep on using that excuse, Gbaji. Keep on lying about my reaction to Acorn to avoid having to discuss the GOP's sacred cows and why it's acceptable for thirty GOP Senators to try to shoot down an amendment protecting women who get kidnapped and gangraped (on yout taxpayer dollars since that's so important to you, too!). I mean, as long as you can plug your fingers in your ears and scream "ACORN ACORN ACORN!!!!" over and over as a response to anything fucked up your party is engaged in... well, that means you'll just never have to face it.

God, it's pathetic.

Edited, Oct 20th 2009 7:03am by Jophiel
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#148 Oct 20 2009 at 6:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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The one that's being ignored affects us more than the one we're dealing with promptly.


Huh? Promptly?

This woman was raped almost four and a half years ago, fUckstick.
#149 Oct 20 2009 at 6:15 AM Rating: Good
I shouldn't of stooped to Varrus' level when making this thread, but the results of making it turned out exactly how I thought it would.

It doesn't appear that the gang rape of a pretty blond women can get you pubbies to stop your blind support of Haliburton.

While I find it sad, I think it says a lot about your party.
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It doesn't appear that the gang rape of a pretty blond women can get you pubbies to stop your blind support of Haliburton.

Hey, there's only so many hours in the day to spend caring about shit and the time they don't spend screaming about Acorn is currently slotted for giving a fuck about which people some broad cited in a speech. Because, in Pubbie world, saying "Mao" is a greater offense than gangraping some woman and having a company attempt to cover it up and suppress it to the highest levels of corporate leadership.

Edited, Oct 20th 2009 7:19am by Jophiel
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#151 Oct 20 2009 at 8:02 PM Rating: Good
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You just showed the proof that we are dealing with not just Halliburton, and this specific case, but with future such situations as well. I'll ask again: When do we take similar action with regard to how we hand out government funds domestically? When to we not just go after the single players involved with the various Acorn scandals, but put some kind of legislation in place to try to prevent those sorts of abuses from happening again
Aren't they defunding it? Regardless, it's been stated here many times that it probably should be, and so since we aren't the government, I don't know why you'd bring it up.

Haha that's not true, I do know why you bring it up. I know that you're blindly partisan, but I like to pretend sometimes.

Edited, Oct 20th 2009 9:05pm by Xsarus
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