Balancing Freedom

#7 Sep 21 2009 at 6:33 AM Rating: Good

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Jophiel wrote:

Bush Schmush. The point is that Varus has no problem giving up freedom and property rights when it's something that advances what he wants. He only cares when it's against his party's agenda.

Color me shocked!

Also, Varus, UF beat Tennessee :-P

(Although I think both of us will agree that UF did a terrible job. Ugh, Tebow; an interception and a fumble in the same game? It was a disappointing, although unsurprising, win).

#8 REDACTED, Posted: Sep 21 2009 at 6:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,

#9 REDACTED, Posted: Sep 21 2009 at 6:48 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Locked,

#10 Sep 21 2009 at 6:48 AM Rating: Decent

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publiusvarus wrote:

Keep telling yourself that. Of course your idea of "giving up freedom" in that sense means extending constitutional rights to suspected terrorists residing in the US. And yes we should be focusing our efforts on keeping an eye on those coming from the ME. When I talk about freedom I'm talking about the time you spend working to provide for your family being taken to support someone who the govn thinks needs help. See the difference?

Man, you are so right. Illegal wire taps and ridiculous "security" measures at the airport be damned! Our neighbors don't deserve healthcare, that is a violation of our freedoms!

Power to the white, male, wealthy people!!!

#11 Sep 21 2009 at 6:49 AM Rating: Excellent

Jophiel

Liberal Conspiracy

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publiusvarus wrote:

Of course your idea of "giving up freedom" in that sense means extending constitutional rights to suspected terrorists residing in the US.

No, it's not.

Edited, Sep 21st 2009 9:49am by Jophiel

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Belkira wrote:

Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.

#12 REDACTED, Posted: Sep 21 2009 at 7:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,

#13 Sep 21 2009 at 7:25 AM Rating: Excellent

Jophiel

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publiusvarus wrote:

Obama's still doing this.

So what? You support it, right? I mean, I hope you do since you were its cheerleader under Bush. Therefore, you support giving up a degree of freedom to "look after" other people. You're able to justify it to yourself by saying it only affects certain people or whatever and is worth it for the greater good. Just like people justify health care reform as being worth the cost.

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Does our freedom and property rights cease to exist when someone else needs "looking after"?

By your own admission, the answer is a qualified "yes".

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Belkira wrote:

Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.

#14 Sep 21 2009 at 7:25 AM Rating: Good

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publiusvarus wrote:

Obama's still doing this. And calls from this country to known sponsors of terrorists should be monitored you twit.

You do realize they are monitoring more than that... right?

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Yeah walking through a metal detector is a real b*tch I know.

For all the money you've supposedly got, you don't travel much, eh?

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Your neighbors who spend every weekend getting drunk and smoking pack after pack of cigarettes and then b*tch about not being able to afford health insurance don't deserve my money, or my sympathy.

Yes, because these are the only people who are unable to afford health insurance. Keep deluding yourself, big boy. Smiley: rolleyes

#15 Sep 21 2009 at 8:53 AM Rating: Excellent

Timelordwho

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I doubt Varus has ever been placed on a no-fly list so he doesn't understand how annoying it is to take care of that. Once they hear of his plot, that might change.

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#16 Sep 21 2009 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good

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Timelordwho wrote:

I doubt Varus has ever been placed on a no-fly list so he doesn't understand how annoying it is to take care of that. Once they hear of his plot, that might change.

I doubt he has dark hair and an olive complexion and doesn't know how annoying it is to almost miss every flight on every leg of your trip because your bag must be searched at every stop.

#17 Sep 21 2009 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent

bsphil

Edited by bsphil

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publiusvarus wrote:

Obama,

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How do we balance our freedom with our need to look after one another?

Does our freedom and property rights cease to exist when someone else needs "looking after"? Is that what the USA is about?

I suppose you'd rather just let the terrorists win?

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Almalieque wrote:

If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.

Take the hint guys, please take the hint.

gbaji wrote:

I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.

#18 Sep 21 2009 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good

trickybeck

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I think freedom has been constantly balanced with protection for, oh, around 4500 years at least.

#19 Sep 21 2009 at 9:08 AM Rating: Excellent

Jophiel

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bsphil wrote:

I suppose you'd rather just let the terrorists win?

Well, hang on now. What's al'Qaeda's stance on universal health care?

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Belkira wrote:

Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.

#20 Sep 21 2009 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good

Uglysasquatch

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Jophiel wrote:

bsphil wrote:

I suppose you'd rather just let the terrorists win?

Well, hang on now. What's al'Qaeda's stance on universal health care?

Everyone gets the same. None.

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#21 Sep 21 2009 at 9:11 AM Rating: Decent

bsphil

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Jophiel wrote:

bsphil wrote:

I suppose you'd rather just let the terrorists win?

Well, hang on now. What's al'Qaeda's stance on universal health care?

I don't know, I'm trying the republican playbook today and just spouting sound bites regardless of their relevance.

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His Excellency Aethien wrote:

Almalieque wrote:

If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.

Take the hint guys, please take the hint.

gbaji wrote:

I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.

#22 Sep 21 2009 at 9:21 AM Rating: Excellent

Jophiel

Liberal Conspiracy

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Uglysasquatch wrote:

Jophiel wrote:

bsphil wrote:

I suppose you'd rather just let the terrorists win?

Well, hang on now. What's al'Qaeda's stance on universal health care?

Everyone gets the same. None.

Fair and balanced. I like that.

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Belkira wrote:

Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.

#23 Sep 21 2009 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good

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I still stay that all the conservatrolls that want to go Galt should just move to Somalia. No government to take away your freedom there!

#24 REDACTED, Posted: Sep 21 2009 at 10:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LMAO...I just heard Stephanapolous pulled out the dictionary on Obama to explain what a tax is.

#25 Sep 21 2009 at 10:55 AM Rating: Excellent

Jophiel

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Someone doesn't want to talk about giving up his freedoms any longer Smiley: laugh

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Belkira wrote:

Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.

#26 Sep 21 2009 at 10:57 AM Rating: Excellent

Samira

Will swallow your soul

29,360 posts

And he was wrong.

If you park your car in the wrong spot, you get fined. That's not a tax. If you neglect your building or property, you may face fines from your city or township. That is also not a tax.

If you have health insurance, you don't need to buy more. Therefore not everyone will be fined. It is not a tax.

On the other hand, this certainly points up why many of us support a public option for those who truly can't afford private health care.

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