More Evidence of why Liberals should not be in Charge

#30 Sep 22 2009 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good

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Jophiel wrote:

publiusvarus wrote:

Because they won't let me beat the sh*t out of the spoiled loudmouth b*stards that populate public schools. They re-institute corporal punishment maybe i'll teach a few classes for free.

So you're lazy and easily outsmarted by school kids. Gotcha.

Not to mention, a violent offender, who should probably just go straight to prison where they can prep him for the death penalty to be enacted upon him.

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#31 Sep 22 2009 at 7:15 AM Rating: Good

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I'm curious, are private school teachers paid more than public school teachers?

#32 Sep 22 2009 at 7:19 AM Rating: Excellent

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catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:

I'm curious, are private school teachers paid more than public school teachers?

Typically yes, but they're still not getting rich.

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#33 REDACTED, Posted: Sep 22 2009 at 7:26 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,

#34 Sep 22 2009 at 7:37 AM Rating: Excellent

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publiusvarus wrote:

Jophed,

Quote:

So you're lazy and easily outsmarted by school kids. Gotcha.

Lazy? Have you seen the size of some of those brats?

Ahh, not lazy, but rather terrified of having you *** kicked by a child, eh?

I've heard that if you **** your pants and let yourself marinate in it you'll be less likely to be sodomized, Varus.

#35 Sep 22 2009 at 7:40 AM Rating: Good

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Barkingturtle wrote:

publiusvarus wrote:

Jophed,

Quote:

So you're lazy and easily outsmarted by school kids. Gotcha.

Lazy? Have you seen the size of some of those brats?

Ahh, not lazy, but rather terrified of having you *** kicked by a child, eh?

I've heard that if you sh*t your pants and let yourself marinate in it you'll be less likely to be sodomized, Varus.

And that even if you do get sodomized, it'll be a little less painful.

Win-win!

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#36 Sep 22 2009 at 7:41 AM Rating: Excellent

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RedPhoenixxx wrote:

Barkingturtle wrote:

publiusvarus wrote:

Jophed,

Quote:

So you're lazy and easily outsmarted by school kids. Gotcha.

Lazy? Have you seen the size of some of those brats?

Ahh, not lazy, but rather terrified of having you *** kicked by a child, eh?

I've heard that if you sh*t your pants and let yourself marinate in it you'll be less likely to be sodomized, Varus.

And that even if you do get sodomized, it'll be a little less painful.

Win-win!

A little something to remember next time your "having a smoke" with your Italian pal, Red.

#37 Sep 22 2009 at 7:44 AM Rating: Excellent

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Barkingturtle wrote:

RedPhoenixxx wrote:

Barkingturtle wrote:

publiusvarus wrote:

Jophed,

Quote:

So you're lazy and easily outsmarted by school kids. Gotcha.

Lazy? Have you seen the size of some of those brats?

Ahh, not lazy, but rather terrified of having you *** kicked by a child, eh?

I've heard that if you sh*t your pants and let yourself marinate in it you'll be less likely to be sodomized, Varus.

And that even if you do get sodomized, it'll be a little less painful.

Win-win!

A little something to remember next time your "having a smoke" with your Italian pal, Red.

Well duh, where do you think I learn this shit...

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#38 Sep 22 2009 at 7:44 AM Rating: Excellent

Jophiel

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Samira wrote:

catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:

I'm curious, are private school teachers paid more than public school teachers?

Typically yes, but they're still not getting rich.

They also don't get the same tenure and pension opportunities as public educators.

Which is part of what people miss when they ***** about state benefits for teachers. Those benefits are there to put off paying teachers a higher salary just as the auto-worker benefits were enacted in the 60's & 70's to keep wages low with the promise of good things to come in 20-30 years. To eliminate pensions and the like would require the state/local governments to start paying teachers twice what they do now. Which might be a good thing in the long run but I doubt most governments could afford it out of pocket.

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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.

#39 Sep 22 2009 at 9:34 AM Rating: Excellent

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publiusvarus wrote:

Jophed,

Quote:

So you're lazy and easily outsmarted by school kids. Gotcha.

Lazy? Have you seen the size of some of those brats?

I dunno. I used to lead anger management for court involved kids--I'd get all the kids who had trouble at school. They usually responded to consistency and clear consequences; being violent only would beget violence. They are used to beating the sh*t out of people and getting the sh*t beaten out of them. They aren't used to people being real and upfront with them. I had a colleague who worked for 20 years in juvenile detention--he hardly ever had a run away. Kids didn't get into violent confrontations or fights that often. He said it all comes down to respect. It's not about stripping a kid down. It's about raising his minimal expectations in relationships with authority figures.

Teachers don't have it easy. I think classes are often too large to be manageable. However, kids can smell blood in the water and in my experience dealing with group of teenagers, it had to do with losing control.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2009 1:35pm by Annabella

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Seriously, what the f*ck nature?

#40 Sep 22 2009 at 9:36 AM Rating: Excellent

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Annabella wrote:

You be consistency.

You be do be do....

I keed, I keed. <3

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#41 Sep 22 2009 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good

Annabella

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Samira wrote:

Annabella wrote:

You be consistency.

You be do be do....

I keed, I keed. <3

lol, I noticed that after I wrote it.

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Turin wrote:

Seriously, what the f*ck nature?

#42 Sep 22 2009 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good

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In what world do people coming right out of college get any work that's more than 20% above minimum wage, unless they're a trade?

Bricklayers get more than low-end teaching staff, and they don't need a degree.

Being a park ranger/forester can get you more.

Any degree involving engineering or R&D.

People with an MBA.

People in marketing or advertising.

CS or IT people.

I could go on, but you get the idea.

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#43 Sep 22 2009 at 12:28 PM Rating: Excellent

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Bricklayers are in a trade.

That said, 20% over minimum isn't even $9/hr.

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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.

#44 Sep 22 2009 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good

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That $9/hr looks so lonely with no zeroes behind it.

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#45 Sep 22 2009 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent

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You're still assuming everyone coming out of college gets a job right away in their field. Naive.

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#46 Sep 22 2009 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent

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Jophiel wrote:

Bricklayers are in a trade.

That said, 20% over minimum isn't even $9/hr.

Depends on where you are.

In a typically Communist state like Oregon, 20% over minimum wage puts you at just over $10/hr.

#47 Sep 22 2009 at 5:32 PM Rating: Excellent

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I went federal minimum for ease of use. Illinois is higher than federal as well.

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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.

#48 Sep 22 2009 at 6:11 PM Rating: Excellent

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You're still assuming everyone coming out of college gets a job right away in their field. Naive.

But why assume that for teaching it isn't a problem and is for the other professions listed? The correct approach is to accept that it is a hazard for all and thus factor it out.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2009 10:13pm by Timelordwho

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#49 Sep 23 2009 at 3:05 AM Rating: Excellent

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Timelordwho wrote:

But why assume that for teaching it isn't a problem and is for the other professions listed? The correct approach is to accept that it is a hazard for all and thus factor it out.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2009 10:13pm by Timelordwho

Fair enough. I still don't think most people coming out of college make $50k the second they start in their field, which is what teacher's make here starting out.

Regardless, I'm not sure what your original point was for. Most people that get into teaching aren't in it for the money, they're in it for the oppotunity to teach and influence others. Regardless of that, $50k is more than a lot of people make.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2009 8:37am by Uglysasquatch

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#50 Sep 23 2009 at 4:42 AM Rating: Good

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Uglysasquatch wrote:

Regardless, I'm not sure what your original point was for. Most people that get into teaching aren't in it for the money, they're in it for the oppotunity to teach and influence others. Regardless of that, $50k is more than a lot of people make.

which is probably the only good thing about paying teachers so little, it keeps the moneygrubbing riffraff out of the schools and lets people who "care about kids' futures" in.

#51 Sep 23 2009 at 6:30 AM Rating: Excellent

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Yeah, the "let's keep wages low so only the truly dedicated will pursue this noble calling!" screed is mainly a transparent lie pushed by a society that devalues what is usually seen as women's work.

You'll notice, for example, that it applies to teachers but not administrators, nurses but not doctors. Et, as they say, cetera.

Stuff that.

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