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#1 Sep 22 2009 at 12:28 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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What a surprise...

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hassan Nemazee, a fund-raiser for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, has been indicted for defrauding Bank of America, HSBC and Citigroup Inc out of more than $290 million in loan proceeds, U.S. prosecutors said on Monday.


Oh no another sketchy source of funding for the Dems. Let's face it the Dems can't get elected nationally without these kind of supporters. Funny how Dems were all proud of how much money Obama raised during his campaign. Luckily for him liberals control the media so we can expect in depth coverage about who actually bought Obama the presidency.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE58K5A420090921?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

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#2 Sep 22 2009 at 12:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Post title is a little misleading.

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#3 Sep 22 2009 at 12:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Feds charge Obama Clinton with campaign fraud

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hassan Nemazee, a fund-raiser for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, has been indicted for defrauding Bank of America, HSBC and Citigroup Inc out of more than $290 million in loan proceeds, U.S. prosecutors said on Monday.

I feel silly even pretending to be surprised that you describe facts with deliberate dishonesty.
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Did you mean to use that thread title for another post?
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#5REDACTED, Posted: Sep 22 2009 at 12:32 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Samy,
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#6 Sep 22 2009 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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I thought this was going to be a babby announcement.
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#7 Sep 22 2009 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Samy,

So was Obama. What's your point?

That actually made me laugh.
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publiusvarus wrote:
Samy,

So was Obama. What's your point?



That you're an idiot, mainly. As per usual.

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#9REDACTED, Posted: Sep 22 2009 at 12:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What a surprise no one is interested in discussing how Obama/Clinton had major contributors that stole nearly 300million from Bank of America.
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#10 Sep 22 2009 at 12:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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I thought you liked white collar crime.
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I thought you liked white collar crime.


Only when it benefits his overlords.

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What a surprise no one is interested in discussing how Obama/Clinton had major contributors that stole nearly 300million from Bank of America.

What is there to talk about? Nemanzee committed fraud, and he should be prosecuted for it. Does anyone here disagree with that? I know you're trying real hard to pretend this somehow reflects on Obama and Clinton, but since they had no knowledge they were receiving fraudulent contributions there isn't much you can peg on them.
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#13 Sep 22 2009 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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I know let's talk about the title of thread.

Ok. Did you intentionally write a misleading title or are you just illiterate?
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#14REDACTED, Posted: Sep 22 2009 at 12:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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Allegory,

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I know you're trying real hard to pretend this somehow reflects on Obama and Clinton, but since they had no knowledge they were receiving fraudulent contributions there isn't much you can peg on them.


So presidential candidates aren't required to account for where their money is coming from? That's news to me.



I'd be hard pressed to name something that isn't news to you, frankly.

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Do you think Obama and Clinton should be charged with campaign fraud?

Based off this story? No.
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#18REDACTED, Posted: Sep 22 2009 at 12:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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publiusvarus wrote:
Do you think Obama and Clinton should be charged with campaign fraud?

I'm not too keen on charging people with crimes they didn't commit.
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So presidential candidates aren't required to account for where their money is coming from? That's news to me.

They should and they did. The campaign funds came from Nemazee. Why should they be held accountable for Nemazee's crimes?
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#20REDACTED, Posted: Sep 22 2009 at 12:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Allegory,
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Jophed,

So you don't think candidates should be responsible for knowing where their funds come from. No wonder the chi-coms were able to buy the Clintons.



They have to be able to say where it came from, obviously. They do not have to be able to say what those people did to get it, obviously.

This excludes fund raisers who have previously been convicted of a felony, obviously.

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Varrus is right. Impeach Obama and give the reins to Biden. Let's see where that wheel takes us.
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#23 Sep 22 2009 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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While you're considering this also consider why someone who receives stolen goods should be held accountable.

There is no reason to hold them accountable. They had no knowledge that the funds were acquired fraudulently, and they were not negligent in receiving them. I'm not a criminal if you place contraband on my person unknowlingly.

Obama and Clinton are, at worst, witnesses.
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Allegory wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
While you're considering this also consider why someone who receives stolen goods should be held accountable.

There is no reason to hold them accountable. They had no knowledge that the funds were acquired fraudulently, and they were not negligent in receiving them. I'm not a criminal if you place contraband on my person unknowlingly.

Obama and Clinton are, at worst, witnesses.


However, if you receive stolen goods either by accident or by purchase, these goods do not belong to you and are taken by the authorities after it is discovered that you have them. Should this apply to donated money as well? I'm not sure...
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#25 Sep 22 2009 at 1:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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If it can be proven that that money was fraudulently obtained, sure.


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#26 Sep 22 2009 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not seeing the part in the article where Obama or Clinton ordered the fraud, abetted the fraud, encouraged the fraud, or knew about the fraud.

Was it in invisible ink?
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