I don't, but I know several people who are they are *pissed* that they're being banned. I know some importers are trying to find ways around it (making them more like cigars, which are not subject to the flavored-cigarette ban), but still, it's a pretty major development that I didn't expect. Flavored cigarettes aren't my thing, I don't even like menthols (which are the only flavor not subject to the ban), but there have been several marketed in recent years...I'm unsure of how well they've sold.
Being on a college campus, I see a fair number of clove-cigarette smokers around though...I wonder if they'll just switch over to regular cigarettes.
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Define banned? Like, outlawed? That's curious. My sister would smoke these in college; she liked them a lot more than regular cigarettes. Now that she's in Egypt she just smokes shisha instead, so it won't affect her much until she's back in the States. Have a link to a news story about this?
Ah, found the story:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/cloves-banned-fda-bans-fr_n_295113.html
I understand their reasoning, I suppose. But I don't care for it. I don't even smoke, but it seems really restrictive. It reminds me of "Thank you for Smoking;" really, how much more obvious can you get? The cartons are covered with warnings, everyone knows smoking is bad for you. I think the government is just using smoking as a whipping post to make it look like they're against smoking when they know that tobacco supplies them with fine money and they tax the hell out of the products so they've made it impossible to outright ban. No expansion, but it's still profitable (for the government), so they can't outlaw smoking either.
Edit: I wonder how this will affect hookah at all. Isn't it the same idea? Flavored tobacco + water... is that so much different than flavored tobacco + paper? I don't do either, so I don't know.
Edited, Sep 23rd 2009 9:27am by LockeColeMA
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/cloves-banned-fda-bans-fr_n_295113.html
Quote:
The ban on manufacturing, importing, marketing and distribution includes candy-, fruit- and clove-flavored cigarettes, which health and federal authorities say are more appealing to youth.
I understand their reasoning, I suppose. But I don't care for it. I don't even smoke, but it seems really restrictive. It reminds me of "Thank you for Smoking;" really, how much more obvious can you get? The cartons are covered with warnings, everyone knows smoking is bad for you. I think the government is just using smoking as a whipping post to make it look like they're against smoking when they know that tobacco supplies them with fine money and they tax the hell out of the products so they've made it impossible to outright ban. No expansion, but it's still profitable (for the government), so they can't outlaw smoking either.
Edit: I wonder how this will affect hookah at all. Isn't it the same idea? Flavored tobacco + water... is that so much different than flavored tobacco + paper? I don't do either, so I don't know.
Edited, Sep 23rd 2009 9:27am by LockeColeMA
Baltimore Sun wrote:
The Food and Drug Administration banned Tuesday the sale of fruit- and candy-flavored cigarettes in the U.S., hoping to rid the market of products that the agency says make smoking more attractive to children.
While flavored cigarettes make up a tiny fraction of tobacco products sold, the move marks the first major step made by the FDA since it was given the power this year to regulate tobacco products. The next step? The agency will look into whether other flavored tobacco products - including popular menthols - will also be barred from U.S. store shelves.
[...]
The niche products, sold in flavors such as vanilla, chocolate and strawberry, are mostly made by smaller firms or imported from overseas. The ban also includes the more popular clove cigarettes, which have been illegal in Maryland for almost 20 years.
While flavored cigarettes make up a tiny fraction of tobacco products sold, the move marks the first major step made by the FDA since it was given the power this year to regulate tobacco products. The next step? The agency will look into whether other flavored tobacco products - including popular menthols - will also be barred from U.S. store shelves.
[...]
The niche products, sold in flavors such as vanilla, chocolate and strawberry, are mostly made by smaller firms or imported from overseas. The ban also includes the more popular clove cigarettes, which have been illegal in Maryland for almost 20 years.
The only clove smokers I knew were the pseudo-bisexual goth chicks in college. Although I did once find a brand of honey flavored cigarettes I liked for a while.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Ewww, gross.
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
Tare wrote:
Ewww, gross.
What do you have against pseduo-bisexual goth chicks?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Popeye smokes hooked me. One day, when they were out of stock, I tried real ones. Been a smoker ever since.
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Jophiel wrote:
The only clove smokers I knew were the pseudo-bisexual goth chicks in college. Although I did once find a brand of honey flavored cigarettes I liked for a while.
Oddly enough, the only clove cigarette I had was offered to me by a pseudo-bisexual goth chick in college.
It wasn't bad, but I didn't have the money to take up the habit. And I was told that you don't really inhale clove cigarettes, just taste them.
I used to smoke them. Years ago and only occasionally. I was probably just trying to look cool. Some tasted better than others, but generally they were okay. They didn't give me the same satisfaction as a regular old tobacco cig though.
I guess I'm rather ambivalent as to their being banned. I don't think the economy, society or free trade will suffer much from it, but I also don't see a strong argument to treat them differently from other cigs or smoking products.
Edited, Sep 23rd 2009 6:02pm by Elinda
I guess I'm rather ambivalent as to their being banned. I don't think the economy, society or free trade will suffer much from it, but I also don't see a strong argument to treat them differently from other cigs or smoking products.
Edited, Sep 23rd 2009 6:02pm by Elinda
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
I didn't mind clove cig smokers, because the smoke from that didn't trigger my allergies the way the chemical-laden-menthol-tobacco ones do. (Cigars also don't bother me as much since they are closer to pure tobacco.)
I'd rather have it the other way around. Ban all the real cigarettes. Make people smoke the other, less stinky things.
I'd rather have it the other way around. Ban all the real cigarettes. Make people smoke the other, less stinky things.
I only smoked them when I was young enough to be susceptible to the marketing genius of the tobacco companies.
I wonder if this ban includes Bidis because they don't have tobacco in them but they are flavored and marketed to teens and cause the same forms of cancer as tobacco smoke?
I wonder if this ban includes Bidis because they don't have tobacco in them but they are flavored and marketed to teens and cause the same forms of cancer as tobacco smoke?
Nexa wrote:
I know some importers are trying to find ways around it (making them more like cigars, which are not subject to the flavored-cigarette ban)
The FDA has already issued an official warning against doing this, saying there would be future consequences.
Personally, I think it's a fairly arbitrary ban and an overstepping of boundaries. Sadly, it's one of those smaller niche markets that probably won't garner enough support to fight the ban and get it repealed. Next thing you know, they'll be banning wine coolers and Boone's Strawberry Hill because they're gateway alcohol products too.
All told, if the goal is a reduction of tobacco usage, I'm certainly more in favor of just banning forms/flavors/varieties of tobacco outright than backdoor attempts like declaring it illegal to smoke with your kid in the car.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
All told, if the goal is a reduction of tobacco usage, I'm certainly more in favor of just banning forms/flavors/varieties of tobacco outright than backdoor attempts like declaring it illegal to smoke with your kid in the car.
I actually have no problem with banning smoking with kids in the car (actually recently became illegal here). I have more of an issue with banning something that's legal because children are interested in illegally obtaining it. Up the regulations/fines/whathaveyou for selling to or purchasing for minors or whatever. Don't start banning my Godiva chocolate liqueur because it's desirable to those under-age either.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
Nexa wrote:
Don't start banning my Godiva chocolate liqueur because it's desirable to those under-age either.
Have you ever tried adding a tablespoon of that to chocolate chip cookie dough? OMG.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Nexa wrote:
I actually have no problem with banning smoking with kids in the car (actually recently became illegal here). I have more of an issue with banning something that's legal because children are interested in illegally obtaining it.
Well, I explain my issues in the linked thread so I don't have anything new to add there. But, yeah, I'd rather see stuff gone entirely rather than jacking around with other rights while they skirt the issue.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
The only thing I can see this leading towards is an untaxable black market.
Samira wrote:
Nexa wrote:
Don't start banning my Godiva chocolate liqueur because it's desirable to those under-age either.
Have you ever tried adding a tablespoon of that to chocolate chip cookie dough? OMG.
It's heavenly in brownies and molten lava cake, so I can only imagine it would be divine.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
God, now I want molten lava cake.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Sounds ridiculously ******* stupid.
On the logical order, this is on the order of banning cherry flavoured cough syrup, or Baileys irish cream, and just as ridiculous. Cigarettes are already illegal for minors.
On the practical order, I couldn't imagine any ban on any drug actually being effective: look at every single other illegal drug.
On the ethical order, it quite obviously encroaches on freedom, and I'd think quite a bit, for an ostensible, and extremely dubious sounding gain. Drugs are harmful only to the person who consumes them, and not always even then are they harmful; it's not like you're banning handguns here.
On the logical order, this is on the order of banning cherry flavoured cough syrup, or Baileys irish cream, and just as ridiculous. Cigarettes are already illegal for minors.
On the practical order, I couldn't imagine any ban on any drug actually being effective: look at every single other illegal drug.
On the ethical order, it quite obviously encroaches on freedom, and I'd think quite a bit, for an ostensible, and extremely dubious sounding gain. Drugs are harmful only to the person who consumes them, and not always even then are they harmful; it's not like you're banning handguns here.
Edit: **** wrong thread
Edited, Sep 23rd 2009 12:41pm by Sweetums
Edited, Sep 23rd 2009 12:41pm by Sweetums
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So does anyone smoke cloves?
Indonesians.
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
Drugs are harmful only to the person who consumes them...
That's not true.
MentalFrog wrote:
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
Drugs are harmful only to the person who consumes them...
That's not true.
It is true insofar as many other things, other, still legal things, are harmful only to the person who consumes them. That is to say, not necessarily harmful to anyone else, and harm which is perpetrated on someone else is incidental.
Such as alcohol.
Such as sex.
Such as religion.
Pregnancy.
That's a bad example. Doing drugs while pregnant won't hurt anyone else unless you're also a complete idiot and decide to keep the baby.
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