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#277 Oct 07 2009 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
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The government doesn't get to have an 'opinion' in this. They don't condone or condemn, they allow or disallow. They can offer up PSA's but those are meaningless without legislation. What you keep calling "the government condoning deviant behavior", translates to the government allowing same sex marriage. However, these are two very different things.


You are ******* awesome. That's exactly what I wanted to say, I just couldn't think of how to say it in an understandable way.

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#278 Oct 07 2009 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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#279 Oct 07 2009 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Smiley: lol


Congratulations, Varus, glad to see that you're finally accepting yourself and growing to be comfortable with your sexuality. We all knew you could do it someday.
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#280 Oct 07 2009 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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protip: you can stick yours in someone else's *** instead.

What if it's a dog or a sheep or something? Is that okay? I mean, I don't think we should be overly concerned as a society if some goats get butt cancer from too much ***** in their butt.
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#281 Oct 07 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Default
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can you please tell me what is so morally wrong about two men, or women, being in love with each other? What is so terribly different and wrong, that you call it a deviant, unhealthy lifestyle?


Morality is a code of conduct put forward by a society. Our society determines what is and isn't moral. If we don't have societal rules that govern our actions then our society will fall into decadent behaviour that will destroy us. Of course Democrats hate modern society as it is so they think nothing of the consequences of their behaviour. They also don't believe in God so they don't have to concern themselves with the eternal consequences of their actions.

This issue is bigger than the vanilla "you hate **** if you don't support gay marriage" arguement the liberal democrats espouse.

What would you say if your children decided they were going to consort with one another? Would you support their decision? Why not?
#282 Oct 07 2009 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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Morality is a code of conduct put forward by a society. Our society determines what is and isn't moral. If we don't have societal rules that govern our actions then our society will fall into decadent behaviour that will destroy us. Of course Democrats hate modern society as it is so they think nothing of the consequences of their behaviour. They also don't believe in God so they don't have to concern themselves with the eternal consequences of their actions.

This issue is bigger than the vanilla "you hate **** if you don't support gay marriage" arguement the liberal democrats espouse.

What would you say if your children decided they were going to consort with one another? Would you support their decision? Why not?


What consequences are you talking about, exactly? Aside from not getting into heaven because, let's face it, society doesn't frown on athiests or agnostics and according to gospel, they aren't getting into heaven either. So we all know that isn't what sets "societal rules."

And if I had two children who started "consorting" with one another once they were adults, that's their business. I wouldn't like it, I would think it was sort of gross, but if that is what makes them happy, then yes, I would support their decision.
#283 Oct 07 2009 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
Drift,

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can you please tell me what is so morally wrong about two men, or women, being in love with each other? What is so terribly different and wrong, that you call it a deviant, unhealthy lifestyle?


Morality is a code of conduct put forward by a society. Our society determines what is and isn't moral. If we don't have societal rules that govern our actions then our society will fall into decadent behaviour that will destroy us. Of course Democrats hate modern society as it is so they think nothing of the consequences of their behaviour. They also don't believe in God so they don't have to concern themselves with the eternal consequences of their actions.

First off, it is not the government's concern if I'm going to go to Hell, seeing as church and state are supposed to be separate. You don't say how this so-called decadent behavior will actually destroy us. Moral panics concerning the next generation are about as old as civilization itself and, somehow, we manage not to destroy ourselves and society lives on.

This is, of course, all the funnier because it's coming from some wannabe ladykiller. I suppose sexual mores are to be disregarded once they become inconvenient.
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This issue is bigger than the vanilla "you hate **** if you don't support gay marriage" arguement the liberal democrats espouse.

What would you say if your children decided they were going to consort with one another? Would you support their decision? Why not?
It's highly unlikely, bordering on impossible, that incest will become endemic because of a documented psychological effect that causes people to find those they grew up with sexually unappealing. Children are also not consenting adults, you self-hating ******.


Edited, Oct 7th 2009 2:55pm by Sweetums
#284 Oct 07 2009 at 11:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Of course Democrats hate modern society as it is so they think nothing of the consequences of their behaviour. They also don't believe in God so they don't have to concern themselves with the eternal consequences of their actions.

Wow, I am one lousy Democrat. I'm surprised James Carville hasn't come by to take my DCCC card yet.


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#285 Oct 07 2009 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Morality is a code of conduct put forward by a society. Our society determines what is and isn't moral. If we don't have societal rules that govern our actions then our society will fall into decadent behaviour that will destroy us.


And what society sees as moral changes almost constantly as time goes on. The way the world is now was what was considered immoral 50 years ago, and the way they were then would have been seen as immoral 50 years before that, and so on.

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This issue is bigger than the vanilla "you hate **** if you don't support gay marriage" arguement the liberal democrats espouse


Actually I never said you hated homosexuals. I'm also not a liberal, or a democrat.

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What would you say if your children decided they were going to consort with one another? Would you support their decision? Why not?


You got me there, Varus. I can't say that that's a very good argument, but I don't think I'd like that scenario one bit.
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#286 Oct 07 2009 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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too much ***** in their butt.

I've never seen this phrase or any derivative of it in my life. I don't think such a condition exists.


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If we don't have societal rules that govern our actions then our society will fall into decadent behaviour that will destroy us.

Give yourself over to absolute pleasure
swim the warm waters of sins of the flesh
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and sensual daydreams to treasure, forever

#287REDACTED, Posted: Oct 07 2009 at 11:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,
#288 Oct 07 2009 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:

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It's highly unlikely, bordering on impossible, that incest will become endemic


I'm quite sure your great great great grandparents thought the same thing about homosexuality.
Of course, I figured you were too stupid to read the rest of the sentence.
#289REDACTED, Posted: Oct 07 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sweet,
#290 Oct 07 2009 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
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What consequences are you talking about, exactly?


Primarily the destruction of the nuclear family.

with the divorce rate dry humping the 50% mark, It's safe to say that the picture perfect scenario of the nuclear family has already been shattered. Regardless, I can't recall ever seeing evidence that the kids are harmed negatively by growing up in non-nuclear households.

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And if I had two children who started "consorting" with one another once they were adults, that's their business.


I expect that's how most liberal democrats feel. Some things are simply wrong. Just because it makes the participants happy doesn't make it any less wrong. But glad to hear a Democrat come right out and say what most of them believe.

Incest has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality so this point is completely irrelevant. It'd be like me asking how you feel about the idea of Joan Rivers having sex with Ron Paul. The idea is absolutely disgusting, but there is nothing amoral about it (assuming both are single).



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It's highly unlikely, bordering on impossible, that incest will become endemic


I'm quite sure your great great great grandparents thought the same thing about homosexuality.

Actually nobody really gave 2 sh*ts about homosexuality until about the 1950s.

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 3:02pm by Bardalicious
#291 Oct 07 2009 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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And how would you feel if they started making out in front of you? How about if walk in on them going at it?

I don't want to see my kid "going at it" with anyone, really.
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#292 Oct 07 2009 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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Sweet,

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you self-hating ******.


And here I thought you were compassionate towards the gay community.
Took ya a little while to think of that zinger, huh?
#293REDACTED, Posted: Oct 07 2009 at 12:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) bard,
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#295 Oct 07 2009 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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The nuclear family didn't even become prevalent until the 17th or 18th century. Somehow, we survived the countless millenia before then. This is, of course, assuming that homosexuality is even related to human family structures. The viability and stability of the nuclear family is a moot point unless you can point to anything providing a substantive link between homosexuality and the dissolution of the nuclear family.

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 3:17pm by Sweetums
#296 Oct 07 2009 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
bard,

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can't recall ever seeing evidence that the kids are harmed negatively by growing up in non-nuclear households.


Then you havn't cared enough to look into it.

Then enlighten me.

Provide me with information so that I may bask in your eternal wisdom.
#297REDACTED, Posted: Oct 07 2009 at 12:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sweet,
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#299 Oct 07 2009 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
Sweet,

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The nuclear family didn't even become prevalent until the 17th or 18th century. Somehow, we survived the countless millenia before then.


Are you insane or do you simply spout whatever absurd notion pops into that tiny little brain of yours?
Not really, it wasn't economically viable until the Industrial Revolution. Up until that point, historical records indicate the extended family was the norm.

Of course, before it can be connected with homosexuality you have to prove that homosexuality and the nuclear family are mutually exclusive. So far, studies point to the fact that there are no deleterious effects when children are raised by a homosexual couple versus a heterosexual one. You've got quite a hill to climb little buddy.


Edited, Oct 7th 2009 3:26pm by Sweetums
#300 Oct 07 2009 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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#301 Oct 07 2009 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
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Then enlighten me.

Provide me with information so that I may bask in your eternal wisdom


Then I would deprive you of the oppurtunity of discovering it for yourself.

code for: I have no evidence.
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