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#27 Oct 27 2009 at 6:18 PM Rating: Good
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Homosexual, in particular **** sex, is much more of a risk.


It has more to do with two penises than it does an ****. Guess how much of a chance Brenda has of giving Darlene an STD when they do it up the butt with Brenda's brand new new strap-on?

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But I expect you knew that.


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Your 70% figure is radically inaccurate using CDC data. The majority of the following number crunching comes from the following tables: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#exposure

16,749 cases out of a total 34,271 cases in 2007 were from MSM. This is 49% of the cases. I'm going to project this 49% to the 468,578 people who are "currently living with AIDS" as of 2007. That gives 224,917 people with AIDS solely from MSM.

The fastest site I found with U.S. population in 2007 is http://www.prb.org/pdf07/07WPDS_Eng.pdf. This gives the U.S. a population of 302 million. 4% of that number is 12,080,000 people.

Out of all gay people given the percentage you chose, approx. 1.08% of them have AIDS.

I'm aware this isn't the best reasoning. In addition, you probably meant to discuss transfer of HIV rather than cases of AIDS. Franky, if you don't care to know the difference, I don't care to do the math for that as well. The point is still there. AIDS and HIV are not running amok among gay people. Very, very few people with respect to the entire U.S. population have AIDS/are infected with HIV. Very, very few gay people with respect to the entire homosexual U.S. population have AIDS/are infected with HIV.

I know it's fun to thrown numbers like 4% and 70% around without having any idea what you're talking about. Unfortunately some simple math and research shows your premise as drastically faulty. Give it up already. Find a different one.

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Notice how regular heterosexual sex isn't considered a transmission category while male to male sexual contact is?


HIV is also more likely to spread from male to female than female to male. Probably has something to do with *****. Maybe we should mandate men to store sperm at the tender age of 15, and then castrate them to save the world a lot of trouble.

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High risk heterosexual contact is primarily people who are sleeping with hookers.


Tell that to Haiti.

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So yes homosexuality, specifically male to male, does appear to have a direct connection with the spread of aids. And this behaviour should not be recognized as anything other than a deviant one by the govn of the people.


Any sex has a direct connection with the spread of HIV. Your thought process goes haywire from "People who have sex without knowing if their partner is HIV+ are likely to get HIV." to "1.08% OF THE GAY POPULATION HAS AIDS. AND IT ACCOUNTS FOR 48% OF ALL AIDS CASES. THEREFORE GAY SEX SPREADS HIV."

No. Not at all. If anything, getting married would encourage homosexual couples to stay monogamous, thus decreasing the chance of one of them getting a partner who is HIV+.


Is the percentage of gay men who have HIV most likely significantly higher than the percentage of straight men who do? Hell yes. Should the blood be tested anyway? Hell yes. If our concern is false negatives, then we should be worried about any blood being donated. HIV isn't only transmitted through MSM, and trying to use these numbers to make a good point is an exercise in futility.
#28 Oct 27 2009 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I always thought I couldn't give blood because of Lyme disease.
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#29 Oct 27 2009 at 8:49 PM Rating: Good
They perform a very expensive, advanced nucleic acid test for HIV in donated blood. It can detect HIV within a week or two of infection. But if you got it the day before, that won't help very much. So they still screen out high risk groups.

You have to say whether you have:

- sex with a man (if you're a man)
- sex for money or drugs
- sex with anyone who was in (list of countries)
- sex with anyone who tested positive for (list of diseases)
- street drugs delivered via injection
- an accidental needle stick
#30 Oct 28 2009 at 4:01 AM Rating: Good
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I don't see the big hoo-rah. Blood banks just want to be as safe as possible. That means blanket exclusion of high-risk groups - which isn't just gay men. Drug users, prostitutes, people who were in England in the 70s, people who've been immunised recently, people who have the flu, people who were overseas for more than six months within the past two years.

I mean, you can't donate blood. So what? It's not like the government is stopping you from getting married or anything.
#31 Oct 28 2009 at 5:55 AM Rating: Good
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Oh, I now see the dangers of it and understand it a bit better. Both situations of if the donor happens to catch it the day before OR one false negative can ruin an entire batch (or infect tens of people). I guess that does make the issue at hand a bit more complex.
#32 Oct 28 2009 at 6:02 AM Rating: Good
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Tens of people????!!!

TENS?
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#33 Oct 28 2009 at 6:08 AM Rating: Good
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Well, depending - I said tens as a conservative number. If I said thousands I would be jumped on ^^

I am sure there would be loads of factors, like how much blood was mixed with the contaminated blood, how much was given to each person, how many HIV bags slipped past defenses, etc etc.
#34 Oct 28 2009 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
10s of people getting the HIV virus from infected blood is 10s too many.

Remember, the donated blood is being collected for people who are undergoing surgery, or have leukemia, or for use in emergency rooms - exactly the kind of people who are running low on their own natural immune defenses to the point where catching the HIV virus from infected blood could devastate them much more rapidly. (Remember, organ translantees have to take immune supressents so the organ isn't rejected, which is a playground for any virus.)

In fact, regular blood donations aren't pure enough for the sickest patients. They need blood that is also CMV negative (cytomegalovirus), which is a flu-like illness that 80--90% of the population over 25 has caught at some point.


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#35 Oct 28 2009 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
They perform a very expensive, advanced nucleic acid test for HIV in donated blood.


Dingdingding! This... at least for Plasma.

Plasma is a money making business. If they can save money any way (i.e. by turning away what they would consider 'high risk' donors), then they'll do it.
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#36 Oct 28 2009 at 4:05 PM Rating: Good
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If you lie...you can still give blood. I've done it for the free cookies.
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#37 Oct 28 2009 at 4:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Please tell me you're kidding. That's the most irresponsible thing I've ever heard.

Well, in the top ten, anyway.

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#38 Oct 28 2009 at 8:38 PM Rating: Good
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Please tell me you're kidding. That's the most irresponsible thing I've ever heard.

Well, in the top ten, anyway.



Obviously you've never seen my "top ten things I'm afraid of" list... Needles that inject things into, or withdraw things from me being the top two.

Yet Piercing needles actually excite me. It's just plain odd.
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#39 Oct 28 2009 at 8:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Yet Piercing needles actually excite me. It's just plain odd.


Maybe it's because they are splitting your flesh instead of invading it. Like, sweing needles don't scare me (not that I'd pierce with them or anything, just saying) but if it was hollow and open at the end, I wouldn't be able to touch one.
#40 Oct 28 2009 at 8:49 PM Rating: Good
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Persons with blood pressure issues are discouraged, also. I dunno if the word "banned" whould be applied here, though.


I have neuro-cardio vascular syncope, a condition which by definition ones' BP can fluctuate as the body doesn't control it well, risking a sudden massive drop in BP.


To be fair, it was my Doc who said "no blood donating!", not the blood people.
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:

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Yet Piercing needles actually excite me. It's just plain odd.


Maybe it's because they are splitting your flesh instead of invading it. Like, sweing needles don't scare me (not that I'd pierce with them or anything, just saying) but if it was hollow and open at the end, I wouldn't be able to touch one.


I think you make a good point. I've been sewing since before I knew I was gay...those needles have never bothered me. I've done a few of my own piercings (maybe not in the most sterile environment, but they worked). When I think of a needle I just picture this giant hollow thing poking me (Yes, I'm aware of how homoerotic that sounds, and there is nothing I can do about it).
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#42 Oct 28 2009 at 9:24 PM Rating: Good
I never understood the needle phobia. I think it's ******* cool to watch them poke me and draw blood.

Then again, people don't understand my cockroach phobia. Even I don't understand my cockroach phobia. *shudder* But it's there.

(Granted, we're talking about the 2-3 inch long palmetto bugs here, not the German roaches, which I stomp and squish reluctantly if no one else is around to do it. Then the next day I call the apartment manager and screech for pest control again. Sometimes I hate the south.)
#43 Oct 28 2009 at 9:38 PM Rating: Good
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Its ok catwho, I have a weird phobia like that also... Snakes. (again, no homoerotic puns intended)
Boas, Pythons, or just generally anything over a few feet long don't bother me. Take the same thing as a baby though, or garder snakes and such, those freak me out. I think it's because a larger snake in my mind is easier to spot..where as a smaller one can sneak into your room and hide in places where you are not likely to find it. Small worms gross me out where as nightcrawlers do not. /shrug
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#44 Oct 28 2009 at 9:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I never understood the needle phobia. I think it's @#%^ing cool to watch them poke me and draw blood.


There was one and precisely one part in Saw 2 (only Saw that I've seen actually) that scared me. Well, I guess scared isn't right as much as.. no, scared pretty much is it. I mean, I can't imagine something quite so irrationally terrifying as being tossed into a pit of used syringes.
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:


There was one and precisely one part in Saw 2

That was all I had to read to know Exactly what scene you were talking about! I was actually sweating before she got pushed in because I was able to see where that scene was going.

I watched the making of though. They used real needles to...they had a crew spend 3 days taking actual syringes, pull the needle out, and replace it with a more solid rubber tip. Still freaky.
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#46 Oct 28 2009 at 10:16 PM Rating: Good
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Needles just don't bother me I guess.

Some years back I had a lipoma removed from my forearm.

I:

1)Watched the injection of novo
2)Watched the Doc slice me open
3)Watched him fiddle around in the open cut, snipping and retracting, etc
4)Watched him sew it up

I thought is was fascinating.

The (ex)wife passed out.Smiley: laugh
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#47 Oct 29 2009 at 2:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Most humans I've met don't deserve my blood.


Surely that statement isn't true.

Actually I'm pretty sure it is. What have most people done to deserve risk of exposure to Paulsol?
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paulsol wrote:
Most humans I've met don't deserve my blood.


Surely that statement isn't true.

Actually I'm pretty sure it is. What have most people done to deserve risk of exposure to Paulsol?


It's New Zealand's newest and best alternative to the death penalty. No need to execute them when we can infect them with raging hippy syndrome.

Edited, Oct 29th 2009 11:30am by zepoodle
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