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#1 Oct 29 2009 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
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...will be the students who didn't do their homework.
Kids spending recess against the wall
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A mother who kept her sixth-grader out of school for a week because of a disagreement over how he was punished said her son will go back to school today.

Amy Caton’s son, Jonathan, 12, was told to stand facing Willard Grade Center’s brick school building Oct. 20 during recess. He was being punished for not turning in a homework assignment.

Caton said her son gets 15 to 20 minutes of recess after lunch every day.

Caton decided to send her son back after meeting with school officials Tuesday. She contends the school’s policy of making students stand facing the side of the brick school building as other children play is wrong.

"I think it’s publicly humiliating and disgusting to stick your face on a wall. It’s not productive punishment,” she said.

I'm not sure why you'd have to actually put your face on the wall but, aside from that, I don't have much of a problem with it. If my son had a teacher with that policy, I'd recommend to him that he gets his homework done. There's a potential, of course, that a kid is in some home situation where it's a real problem to get homework done or something but hopefully the teacher is able to pick up on something being up after a short string of missed assignments.
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#2 Oct 29 2009 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I've stood out of recess before. There is no harm in it, but I'm not sure it achieves anything either.
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#3 Oct 29 2009 at 2:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm OK with this, but I have to wonder, what's wrong with detention?
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#4 Oct 29 2009 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
I'm OK with this, but I have to wonder, what's wrong with detention?


It's probably a small school and the teacher makes the kid go outside with the others so they can keep an eye on the kid. A lot of smaller schools don't have a spare teacher or any other qualified adult to hold an impromptu "detention" session for 1 or 2 misbehaving children.


ETA: Facing a wall for 20 minutes where I come from is called a "time-out" and is about the mildest of punishments a kid can receive other than a not-stern-look and the utterance of "No". I'm really not sure what the mother's problem is. She sounds like a dunce to me. One of those overprotective ******* who's raising a psychopath, perhaps.

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#5 Oct 29 2009 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
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Why didn't he do his homework?

I would expect a parent to be involved in Grade 6.
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#6 Oct 29 2009 at 3:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Tare wrote:
Why didn't he do his homework?

I would expect a parent to be involved in Grade 6.


You would expect too much of most parents, sadly.
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it is parents like these that are turning kids into a bunch of ******* pussies. I can understand not beating your children as a punishment, but it seems that we are tending towards a more slippery slope of "all punishment is harmful to children"

it's ludicrous.
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#8 Oct 29 2009 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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Bardalicious wrote:
it seems that we are tending towards a more slippery slope of "all punishment is harmful to children"


Won't be long now and people won't get sent to prison for murder. They just won't get their positive reinforcement cookie.
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#9 Oct 29 2009 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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BrownDuck wrote:
It's probably a small school and the teacher makes the kid go outside with the others so they can keep an eye on the kid. A lot of smaller schools don't have a spare teacher or any other qualified adult to hold an impromptu "detention" session for 1 or 2 misbehaving children.


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School policy allows for other forms of discipline, including detention, but Caton said neither she nor her son was given an alternative until she questioned it.
Nope, must have been another reason.


Bardalicious wrote:
it is parents like these that are turning kids into a bunch of @#%^ing pussies. I can understand not beating your children as a punishment, but it seems that we are tending towards a more slippery slope of "all punishment is harmful to children"

it's ludicrous.
Did you read the article? She has no issues with her son being punished, she just doesn't like this one form.

Edited, Oct 29th 2009 6:14pm by Uglysasquatch
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#10 Oct 29 2009 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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BrownDuck wrote:
Tare wrote:
Why didn't he do his homework?

I would expect a parent to be involved in Grade 6.


You would expect too much of most parents, sadly.


Boo frickin' hoo then. If the kid didn't comply with the rules, he doesn't get a reward. Simple.
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It isn't like he was missing much at recess anyway.
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Elementary schools in Cheyenne, Wyo., and Spokane, Wash., banned tag at recess this year. Others, including a suburban Charleston, S.C., school, dumped contact sports such as soccer and touch football.

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#12 Oct 29 2009 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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BrownDuck wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
it seems that we are tending towards a more slippery slope of "all punishment is harmful to children"

Won't be long now and people won't get sent to prison for murder. They just won't get their positive reinforcement cookie.

It might seem silly to you, but psychological studies have shown that too mild punishment is more effective at changing behavior than adequate or harsher punishment, because subjects then need to seek and internal justification due to lack of an external one.
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:

Bardalicious wrote:
it is parents like these that are turning kids into a bunch of @#%^ing pussies. I can understand not beating your children as a punishment, but it seems that we are tending towards a more slippery slope of "all punishment is harmful to children"

it's ludicrous.
Did you read the article? She has no issues with her son being punished, she just doesn't like this one form.

yeah, but she gave ******** reasons for it. Does that mean when I have kids I can say that I don't agree with detention as a punishment and then force them to make an exception for my kid?

If she is this **** about disciplining her kids then they shouldn't be out of her sight or under the control of another adult. ever.
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#14 Oct 29 2009 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Allegory wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
it seems that we are tending towards a more slippery slope of "all punishment is harmful to children"

Won't be long now and people won't get sent to prison for murder. They just won't get their positive reinforcement cookie.

It might seem silly to you, but psychological studies have shown that too mild punishment is more effective at changing behavior than adequate or harsher punishment, because subjects then need to seek and internal justification due to lack of an external one.


I didn't say it seemed silly. You did. Think about how that reflects upon your internal perception of my statement.
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#15 Oct 29 2009 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
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Lame. Instead of having the kid sit there and pick his nose for 20 mins force him to do the homework during recess. Or make him read. Write a report.
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Isn't the consequence for not doing your homework supposed to be a failing grade, on the assignment if it's a one-off, or in the class if it's habitual? Let the parents deal with punishing the failing grade.
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#17 Oct 29 2009 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
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BrownDuck wrote:
Allegory wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
it seems that we are tending towards a more slippery slope of "all punishment is harmful to children"

Won't be long now and people won't get sent to prison for murder. They just won't get their positive reinforcement cookie.

It might seem silly to you, but psychological studies have shown that too mild punishment is more effective at changing behavior than adequate or harsher punishment, because subjects then need to seek and internal justification due to lack of an external one.


I didn't say it seemed silly. You did. Think about how that reflects upon your internal perception of my statement.

I didn't say you said anything so I'm not sure why you feel the need to point it out.

My perception, unless I missed the double layered sarcasm, was that you seem to be of the type who believe children are being too coddled. So I was pointing out that insufficient punishment has proven to be more effective at creating long lasing behavioral changes. Have I misunderstood your position?
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#18 Oct 29 2009 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Bardalicious wrote:
It isn't like he was missing much at recess anyway.
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Elementary schools in Cheyenne, Wyo., and Spokane, Wash., banned tag at recess this year. Others, including a suburban Charleston, S.C., school, dumped contact sports such as soccer and touch football.


Pretty soon *all* recess is going to be is standing there, staring at the wall. Inside, where there's no risk of sunburn or exposure to pollution.
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#19 Oct 29 2009 at 4:27 PM Rating: Good
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When I was in elementary school, we lost one recess for every piece of homework we didn't do. We had to sit in the classroom and copy down some sort of report thing from a book. One report for every piece of homework not turned in, and you didn't get recess until your reports were done. The teachers wouldn't monitor the classroom.

I didn't have recess for all of the fourth grade. We just sat around talking the whole time. Half a dozen of us never did our reports, one guy would write others' reports for a couple dollars.
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They initially made the decision to cut recess out entirely from our 4th and 5th grade, until our parents protested and they split the PE period with recess as a compromise. (So we got 30 minutes of the humiliating inability to stretch as far as some other kid, and 30 minutes of running around actually getting some exercise.)

Baseball was not allowed, or anything that had a hard ball or bat. We were allowed to use kickballs, but most of the girls stuck with jump rope.
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#21 Oct 29 2009 at 4:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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We used to have to copy pages from the dictionary. That may have had an effect, now that I think of it.

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#22 Oct 29 2009 at 4:49 PM Rating: Good
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I don't remember what happened to us when I was in school. Probably because I was a perfect little angel and never got in trouble.

Yeah, that.
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#23 Oct 29 2009 at 5:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Nice idea.
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#24ThiefX, Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 8:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LMAO I love this. Liberals posting about how pussified our schools have become. Crying because they can't play tag and dodge ball, actually worried that in a few years people will use some excuse like "I had a rough childhood" to justify their acts.
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#25 Oct 29 2009 at 9:00 PM Rating: Good
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ThiefX wrote:
Think about it..........


I've thought about it and yes, I still think you're a complete idiot.


Being an overprotective parent has absolutely nothing to do with politics. That's the problem with people like you and Varus and Gbaji - you think everything is politically motivated when in fact it's not. Ergo, you're an idiot.
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#26 Oct 29 2009 at 9:37 PM Rating: Good
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Allegory wrote:
I've stood out of recess before. There is no harm in it, but I'm not sure it achieves anything either.


Same here.
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