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#1 Nov 05 2009 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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Our illustrious British Gubberment has just horrified a bunch of people by announcing that parents will no longer be able to withdraw their children from Sex Education classes once the kids reach the age of 15. At the moment it's 19.

A number of God Fearing parents, (especially Cafflicks and Mohammedists) are outraged that these innocent, pure 15 to 18 year olds will be forced to hear about where babies come from. Faith schools are perfectly at liberty to include their own take on things (so cafflicks can edjamacate the spotty-faced teenagers that condoms will send you to hell etc etc).

So. . .

Should parents be allowed to withdraw their kids from Sex Education in school?
No :56 (70.0%)
Yes, at any age:5 (6.2%)
Yes, but only below the age of 16 (as proposed):8 (10.0%)
Yes, but only below the age of 19 (the current state of play):1 (1.2%)
Compulsory gay **** for all over-5s :10 (12.5%)
Total:80
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#2 Nov 05 2009 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
Is it 15 or 16? Regardless... its part of the curriculum so No to pulling the child out. I would though, like to know @ what age they will be teaching it.
#3 Nov 05 2009 at 2:27 PM Rating: Good
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I believe it's 'below 16' so up to and including 15.

As for the curriculum, they're proposing basic stuff about relationships and respect from 5, puberty from about 7, and contraception & STIs from 11.
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#4 Nov 05 2009 at 2:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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I said "No" on the basis that it's human biology and there's little difference in my mind between teaching how the uterus works and teaching how the liver works. For that matter, I see no issue with presenting factual statistical information on the success rate of contraceptives. It's entirely possible that a program may include facets I think should be optional but, as a whole, I don't see where it should differ from teaching that squirrels are related to mice or that the earth's crust is up to 25 miles thick.
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#5 Nov 05 2009 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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While I'm not a fan of putting sex education in the hands of the state, it's unfortunately the only place most children learn about sex. If the parents really cared, they'd talk to their children about what they're going to be taught and how it relates to them.
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#6 Nov 05 2009 at 2:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
I said "No" on the basis that it's human biology and there's little difference in my mind between teaching how the uterus works and teaching how the liver works. For that matter, I see no issue with presenting factual statistical information on the success rate of contraceptives. It's entirely possible that a program may include facets I think should be optional but, as a whole, I don't see where it should differ from teaching that squirrels are related to mice or that the earth's crust is up to 25 miles thick.
Yeah but you're biased since the 6-year old Joph Jr came home from school and asked you "Daddy, why do some people prefer rimming to fisting?"
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#7 Nov 05 2009 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think we underestimate out youth. By the time I had Sex Ed. in my first year of HS I could have taught the class.

So, I don't think it matters if when/if they're taught it or if they're removed. Any kid that says they got preggo cuz they didn't know how things worked - is lying.

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#8 Nov 05 2009 at 2:39 PM Rating: Excellent
Nobby wrote:
I believe it's 'below 16' so up to and including 15.

As for the curriculum, they're proposing basic stuff about relationships and respect from 5, puberty from about 7, and contraception & STIs from 11.


Relationships and Respect @ 5 sounds great to me, puberty @ 7 seems a little early. Contraceptive and STDs @ 11 seems close enough, I was thinking ~12 or 13.
#9 Nov 05 2009 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
So, I don't think it matters if when/if they're taught it or if they're removed. Any kid that says they got preggo cuz they didn't know how things worked - is lying.

Not necessarily true, at least in China: http://www.slate.com/id/2234600/

#10 Nov 05 2009 at 2:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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I love my parents dearly, and they taught me a lot, but when I started my period I was horrified, and we never, ever discussed sex. I went to planned parenthood for my first gynecological exam and birth control prescription alone, and really had no understanding of stds before I began having sex. Maybe that's why I ended up with a degree in human sexuality and work with various comprehensive sex ed organizations, haha: I'm making up for lost time.

While I took the initiative and researched these things for myself when I needed to as a teenager, most don't...they rely on the misinformation passed along through the telephone game and I would vastly prefer they get SOME sort of comprehensive sex education even if it's the sterilized and overly morally upright version the schools offer.

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#11 Nov 05 2009 at 3:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Soracloud wrote:
Relationships and Respect @ 5 sounds great to me, puberty @ 7 seems a little early. Contraceptive and STDs @ 11 seems close enough, I was thinking ~12 or 13.


Found a linky

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Sex and relationship education - who does what?
  • Age 5-7 - puberty, relationships and how to keep safe
  • Age 7 - 11 - puberty, relationships including marriage, divorce, separation, same sex and civil partnerships and managing emotions and dealing with negative pressures
  • Age 11 - 14 - Sexual activity, human reproduction, contraception, pregnancy, STDs including HIV/Aids and high risk behaviours, relationships, including those between old, young, girls, boys and same sex
  • Age 14 - 16 - Body image and health, choices relating to sexual activity and substance misuse, and the emotional well-being, reducing risk and minimising harm, parenting skills and family life, separation, divorce and bereavements, prejudice and bullying


Looks good to me
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#12 Nov 05 2009 at 3:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nexa wrote:
and really had no understanding of stds before I began having sex. Maybe that's why I ended up with a degree in human sexuality

And the clap.
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#13 Nov 05 2009 at 3:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Allowing parents to pull their child out of specific curriculum they disagree with is better than putting them in a situation where they feel they need to pull their child from school altogether and have them earn some half-assed home school education. And the people that have issues with something like sex education are the type that tend to fall under the group willing to do something so stupid.
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#14 Nov 05 2009 at 3:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Nexa wrote:
and really had no understanding of stds before I began having sex. Maybe that's why I ended up with a degree in human sexuality

And the clap.
See - THIS is why I love the assylum.

On a related note. . .

Q: How can you tell when your sister has started menstruating?
A: Your dad's diCk tastes of blood
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#15 Nov 05 2009 at 3:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Nexa wrote:
and really had no understanding of stds before I began having sex. Maybe that's why I ended up with a degree in human sexuality

And the clap.


Funnily enough,I read up so much on STDs and whatnot when I was in high school that I became super-hypocondriac about having them. I swear I got tested like 8 times for everything before I got married and thought I was pregnant anytime my period was more than a few hours late.

I kept EPT in business.

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#16 Nov 05 2009 at 3:23 PM Rating: Excellent
His Excellency Soracloud wrote:
Is it 15 or 16? Regardless... its part of the curriculum so No to pulling the child out. I would though, like to know @ what age they will be teaching it.


But yes to telling them how to do so, amirite?
#17 Nov 05 2009 at 3:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nexa wrote:
Funnily enough,I read up so much on STDs and whatnot when I was in high school that I became super-hypocondriac about having them. I swear I got tested like 8 times for everything before I got married and thought I was pregnant anytime my period was more than a few hours late.


Jesus Christ, how much sex did you have in high school?
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#18 Nov 05 2009 at 4:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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everyone knows that pulling out is an ineffective method whether it is trying to prevent kids from learning about sex or trying to prevent them from existing.
#19 Nov 05 2009 at 6:07 PM Rating: Excellent
The best sex education comes from romance novels.Smiley: nod
#20 Nov 05 2009 at 10:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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#21 Nov 06 2009 at 1:48 AM Rating: Good
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Nobby wrote:
A number of God Fearing parents, (especially Cafflicks and Mohammedists) are outraged that these innocent, pure 15 to 18 year olds will be forced to hear about where babies come from.


We have already established that some religious bodies do not like evidence ... why does it not surprise me that they would kick off about this simple lesson ...

#22 Nov 06 2009 at 2:04 AM Rating: Decent
Wouldn't the dirty ragheads "Mohammedists" prefer that these 15-18 year olds learn about sex the old fashioned way, namely having been married for five or six years already? (Well, at least the girls.)
#23 Nov 06 2009 at 6:32 AM Rating: Good
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The kids probably already know about sex anyway. Seems pretty pointless to take the kids out of a class that might be more beneficial to them than most parents.
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#24 Nov 06 2009 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Soracloud wrote:
Relationships and Respect @ 5 sounds great to me, puberty @ 7 seems a little early. Contraceptive and STDs @ 11 seems close enough, I was thinking ~12 or 13.

It's better to know about things coming up, than learn about them in the middle of it. My breasts started growing when I was 8. I had breasts for a couple of years in Primary school, probably what you call "Grade school". I can't remember if I had them in Grade 4, but I definitely had them in Grade 5 and 6. They were very pointy, and in hindsight it would have been a lot better for how I "fit in" socially if someone had clued me in to one of the roles of bras with respect to breasts, to round off their profile.

The youngest parents I know of were 8 and 9. They had fun experimenting in a bath, and definitely could have done with some better sex ed.




#25 Nov 06 2009 at 7:42 AM Rating: Decent
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I kind of taught myself about sex long before getting into a sex-ed class by a process of osmosis. And ****. Lots of ****.

I think my first sex-ed class was in year 10, which is around 16 for you Eaglelanders. That was way too late. Way too late. I knew people who were bonking at 14.

The way I see it it's better if you teach them this stuff beforehand so that they're prepared. Puberty happens at all sorts of different times to different people, so picking a consistent age and hoping you catch them during or before puberty is silly. Better to aim for the younger age group and make sure they get a sensible education on the subject.
#26 Nov 06 2009 at 8:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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After reading the sex ed texts on my parent's shelves, and adult books from the age of 9, and the sex ed classes through public school, I knew ALL about the whole vanilla thing. Except for the smell. When I finally lost my virginity I was completely unprepared for the smell of *****. I know people say that the male eating different foods makes it taste/smell differently. But to me, all my partner's ***** has smelt of arsnic and chlorine, which funnily enough, is also exactly the same smell as chestnut flowers.

Boy that was a funny few months, walking past that chestnut tree in bloom.
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