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#27 Nov 09 2009 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
Sir Xsarus wrote:
I am surprised that an ED drug would be covered. I don't see any reason it should be.


At the risk of sounding like a femme-****, I have a feeling that it has quite a bit to do with the fact that men like sex, and men are encouraged to have sex, while women are supposed to keep their dainty little dimpled knees locked at all times. Smiley: glare

ETA: Also, I edited that when I saw that rape victims are covered. A small victory, I suppose.

Edited, Nov 9th 2009 4:01pm by Belkira
#28 Nov 09 2009 at 3:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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I find it bothersome that you would liken an abortion to a nose job.


Why? That's the society liberals have created.


Well for one, babies don't come from noses.
#29 Nov 09 2009 at 3:59 PM Rating: Decent
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For the same reason that other optional procedures aren't covered. If there is a health risk, or damage then they should be covered otherwise not. A burn victim should have the reconstructive surgery and plastic surgery covered, someone looking to get their nose straightened should not be covered.

Now I'm going to assume that the bill is talking about all abortions? Are cases where the mothers life is threatened also exempt? That would be a problem.


I find it bothersome that you would liken an abortion to a nose job. But aside from that, there are excellent reasons for a woman to get an abortion that may not have to do with the life of the mother being threatened. For instance, a pregnancy resulting from rape, or a pregnancy that threatens the mother's mental well being or a woman not being able to fiscally take maternal leave.

All that having been said, I have never heard of a drug being prescribed to a man for ED that was prescribed to save his life. I don't hear anyone ******** about that being covered, though.

Edited, Nov 9th 2009 4:02pm by Belkira


Yeah, no kidding. While most abortions may be optional procedures, they are absolutely nothing like plastic surgery. People with extra money to throw around get plastic surgery to make themselves feel better about their appearance. Women get abortions for various reasons, and are not limited to, because they can't afford to bring a baby into the world.

It's totally more important for old men to get boners and to be able to **** their wives Belkira, than it is for women to terminate unwanted pregnancies or avoid getting pregnant in the first place (see different types of birth control) what are you talking about!? Smiley: rolleyes
#30 Nov 09 2009 at 4:01 PM Rating: Good
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haha, back to your old rhetoric when you're beaten eh varrus?
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#31REDACTED, Posted: Nov 09 2009 at 4:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Xarus,
#32 Nov 09 2009 at 4:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Beaten? And by rhetoric you mean taking Nobby's anti-capitalist rhetoric as evidence that the US already has the death panels the Dems are trying to create.


'The **** were you attempting to say?

Try it again. Use your words.
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#33 Nov 09 2009 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
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you find it troubling that I'd compare an abortion with the procedures involved in the horrific damage done to a burn victim? Smiley: oyvey

I'm just kidding. It was not an attempt to equate the two, I was just trying to explain my general point without Gbajiesq posts. I understand your reasons for wanting it, and they seem reasonable. From a purely financial standpoint it's of course just common sense, given pigtails point. As much as I don't object to abortions being legal then your reasoning would lead me to support it being covered by the government.
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#34 Nov 09 2009 at 4:13 PM Rating: Good
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haha, back to your old rhetoric when you're beaten eh varrus?


Beaten? And by rhetoric you mean taking Nobby's anti-capitalist rhetoric as evidence that the US already has the death panels the Dems are trying to create.
Are you saying that insurance companies don't regularly specify what treatments you can get and what doctors you can visit?
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#35 Nov 09 2009 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Xarus,

I don't know why we're even talking about this anymore; we all know this bill doesn't have a chance in h*ll in the senate.


Isn't that what you said about the bill passing in Congress too? Go on, keep telling yourself it doesn't have a chance of passing. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
#36 Nov 09 2009 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
Sir Xsarus wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
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haha, back to your old rhetoric when you're beaten eh varrus?


Beaten? And by rhetoric you mean taking Nobby's anti-capitalist rhetoric as evidence that the US already has the death panels the Dems are trying to create.
Are you saying that insurance companies don't regularly specify what treatments you can get and what doctors you can visit?


No no no, he's just saying we can't call them "panels"
#37 Nov 09 2009 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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you find it troubling that I'd compare an abortion with the procedures involved in the horrific damage done to a burn victim? Smiley: oyvey

I'm just kidding. It was not an attempt to equate the two, I was just trying to explain my general point without Gbajiesq posts. I understand your reasons for wanting it, and they seem reasonable. From a purely financial standpoint it's of course just common sense, given pigtails point. As much as I don't object to abortions being legal then your reasoning would lead me to support it being covered by the government.


Well, I've read enough of your posts not to be too upset about that. I knew what point you were trying to make, and I even saw it coming. Abortion is considered by many people to be "elective surgery." I can understand that, and in some cases that's exactly what it is. But there are plenty of "elective surgeries" that are covered. There's no reason why this shouldn't be, aside from pandering to religions morons.
#38 Nov 09 2009 at 4:16 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
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haha, back to your old rhetoric when you're beaten eh varrus?


Beaten? And by rhetoric you mean taking Nobby's anti-capitalist rhetoric as evidence that the US already has the death panels the Dems are trying to create.
Are you saying that insurance companies don't regularly specify what treatments you can get and what doctors you can visit?


No no no, he's just saying we can't call them "panels"
They're likely task-forces, that's true. much more proactive about denying coverage.
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#39 Nov 09 2009 at 4:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nobby's anti-capitalist rhetoric
What was anti-capitalist, fUck-wit?

I have no issue with companies making profits. None at all.

I have no issue with companies denying healthcare that falls outside of a policy.

I do have issues with insurers denying well-established procedures by claiming that after 20 years of evidence of effectiveness, they can dismiss BMT's, Chemotherapy and Revascularisation as 'experimental', and use the term 'pre-existing' in logic-0defying ways, AND telling blatant lies to put profit ahead of human justice.

You stupid, led-by-the-nose cUnt. You are the epitome of a brainwashed turkey voting for Thanksgiving.
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#40 Nov 09 2009 at 4:34 PM Rating: Default
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We’ve got to hold on to hope, and we’ve got to fight hard because Congressional action tonight just put America on a path toward an unrecognizable country.

The same government leaders that got us into the mortgage business and the car business are now getting us into the health care business.

Despite Americans’ decisive message last Tuesday that they reject the troubling path this country has been taking, Speaker Pelosi has broken her own promises of transparency to ram a health “care” bill through the House of Representatives just before midnight. Why did she push the 2,000 page bill this weekend? Was she perhaps afraid to give her peers and the constituents for whom she works the chance to actually read this monstrous bill carefully, if at all? Was she concerned that Americans might really digest the details of a bill that the Wall Street Journal has called “the worst piece of post-New Deal legislation ever introduced”?

This out-of-control bureaucratic mess will be disastrous for our economy, our small businesses, and our personal liberty. It will slam businesses at a time when we are at double-digit unemployment rates – the highest we’ve seen in a quarter of a century. This massive new bureaucracy will cost us and our children money we don’t have. It will rob Americans of more of our freedom and further hamper the free market.

Make no mistake: we’re on course to have government commandeer one-sixth of our economy. The people who gave us Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac now want to run our health care. Think about that.

All of us who value the sanctity of life are grateful for the success of the pro-life majority in the House this evening in its battle against federal funding of abortion in this bill, but it’s ironic because we were promised that abortion wasn’t covered in the bill to begin with. Our healthy distrust of these government leaders made us look deeper into the bill because unfortunately we knew better than to trust what they were saying. The victory tonight to amend the bill and eliminate that federal funding for abortion was great – because abortion is not health care. Now we can only hope that Rep. Stupak’s amendment will hold in the final bill, though the Democratic leadership has already refused to promise that it won’t be scrapped later.

We had been told there were no “death panels” in the bill either. But look closely at the provision mandating bureaucratic panels that will be calling the shots regarding who will receive government health care.

Look closely at provisions addressing illegal aliens’ health care coverage too.

Those of us who love freedom and believe in open and transparent government can only be dismayed by midnight action on a Saturday. Speaker Pelosi’s promise that Americans would have 72 hours to read the final bill before the vote was just another one of the D.C. establishment’s too-common political ploys. It’s broken promises like this that turn people off to politics and leave them disillusioned about the future of their country.

But despite this late-night maneuvering, many of us were paying close attention tonight. We’ll keep paying close attention. We need to let our legislators in Washington know that they still represent us, and that the majority of Americans are not in favor of the “reform” they are pushing. After all, this is still a country “of the people, by the people, and for the people.” We will make our voices heard. It’s on to the Senate now. Our legislators can listen now, or they can hear us in 2010. It’s their choice.

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The funny thing is despite the death panel comment which is argueable everything else she said in this statement is true.

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#41 Nov 09 2009 at 4:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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The funny thing is that everything else she said in this statement she thinks is true.

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Yep, it is pretty funny how fear mongering works. It's also pretty sad and pathetic.
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#42 Nov 09 2009 at 4:41 PM Rating: Decent
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All of us who value the sanctity of life are grateful for the success of the pro-life majority in the House this evening in its battle against federal funding of abortion in this bill, but it’s ironic because we were promised that abortion wasn’t covered in the bill to begin with.


I did rather like this little gem. Abortion wasn't covered in the bill to begin with. The Stupak amendment is completely unnecessary, especially when you take the Hyde amendment into consideration. The Hyde amendment has been active for decades, and it stipulates that government funding cannot be used to pay for abortions. This includes Medicaid.

I know that wasn't Palin's point, but she's rather good at saying things that don't back up what she's saying, but that do back up what those of us on the left are saying.
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#45 Nov 09 2009 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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If "Death Panels" exist - they're alive and well and living in the current US Healthcare system where profit is the motivation.

Christ this makes me seethe.


I don't know what could give me the impression that you're anti-capitalist <end sarcasm>.

Which just serves to reinforce your limited ability to comprehend what you read.

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Yep, it is pretty funny how fear mongering works. It's also pretty sad and pathetic.


LMAO!!! Every Democrat on the federal level has run on the mantra the GOP wants to cut old folks social security for the last what 30yrs? And you have the nerve to talk about fear mongering. That is funny.
I admit to not having followed American Politics for the last 30 years. However, I'm not sure what could make you think lying to promote fear should ever be acceptable. It'd be hard to go more overboard then people have around this issue.

Edited, Nov 9th 2009 5:10pm by Xsarus
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#48 Nov 09 2009 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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lying to promote fear


You mean like the lie that 10's of millions of americans can't afford health insurance? And using this to take over 1/6 of the capitalist american economic system.



Actually, the line is that the 46+ million Americans DON'T HAVE health insurance, not that they necessarily can't afford it. Although I think it's fair that a good amount of the 46 million don't have it because they can't afford it.

You know what's really stupid? My step dad's health insurance policy costs him about $150 a month. He's 46, smokes and drinks daily. He's a healthy weight though, so he's got that going for him. I'm 26, I don't smoke, and rarely drink, yet my health insurance costs about $275 a month. Why is this? Because my health insurance company views me as a potential baby making machine due to my age. This is despite the fact that I currently am using an IUD for birth control, a method that is over 99% effective (and even if I were to get pregnant, I would have to get an abortion because it would end up being an encoptic pregnancy). Luckily for me, my mom currently pays my health insurance because I'm in school, but it's getting so expensive that she probably won't be able to afford it for much longer. My premiums keep going up and up for no apparent reason. Two years ago they were about $150 a month. My bf can't afford health insurance at all, and has gone without pretty much since he hit his twenties and his parents could no longer cover him.

Think about this rationally for a minute. A person making minimum wage, working full time grosses about $1350 per month. Just taking out federal taxes knocks that down to about $1150 per month. Typical budget spread sheets suggest you pay about 5 to 10 % of your net income in health care costs. That's a maximum of $115. You're going to want to leave a little wiggle room there for pharmaceutical costs, and co pays for office visits if you have any. The vast majority of people are not going to qualify for insurance premiums that low, hence why so many people can't afford health insurance.
#49 Nov 09 2009 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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And by rhetoric you mean taking Nobby's anti-capitalist rhetoric as evidence that the US already has the death panels the Dems are trying to create


You never answered his question.

I'll quote him here since you probably just missed it.

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So what happens when someone claims for healthcare? Is it automatically paid out? Or is there, perchance, a panel that assesses whether to pay or not?



I'm kind of curious to see what's your answer to this. I know it will be retarded but go ahead, entertain me.

#50 Nov 09 2009 at 5:30 PM Rating: Good
PigtailsOfDoom the Eccentric wrote:
Think about this rationally for a minute.


Never gonna happen.
#51 Nov 09 2009 at 5:32 PM Rating: Decent
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
PigtailsOfDoom the Eccentric wrote:
Think about this rationally for a minute.


Never gonna happen.


I know, but I'm hoping that if I throw numbers in his face it'll help. Numbers don't lie. Smiley: sly
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