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#52 Nov 25 2009 at 6:42 PM Rating: Good
Science, like any other career, does not preclude humor.

Every email cited as "proof" that global warming is a giant hoax perpetrated by scientists was either out of context, contained terminology that no layman could possibly understand, or was a joke between colleagues - or a combination of all three.

And the majority of the emails were dry, boring science, discussing facts (again in terminology that no layman could hope to understand) and not talking about "Haha we sure fooled the muggles with our imaginary human initiated climate change! Oh boy, they'll HAVE to fund my research for the next 20 years now!"

No, the majority of emails which discussed the data were much more sober, and along the lines of "If my data set is right, and the simulations and projections go as they seem to be, we're totally ******* I hate my job and I'm sorry I've got to be the one to document this."
#53 Nov 25 2009 at 6:46 PM Rating: Decent
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What possible massive Smiley: tinfoilhat political machination could global climate change research be supporting? @#%^ing look at the situation for 5 seconds before you parrot conservative dogma. Do you really think the complete overhaul of the energy infrastructure benefits anyone politically or fiscally?


It could actually benefit someone pushing socialism and make a fair argument for such. Whether or not that is true would then be the issue. Climate reform often wants to push money from richer countries to poorer countries. It also places a larger government control over funds and infrastructure.
#54 Nov 25 2009 at 6:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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It could actually benefit someone pushing socialism and make a fair argument for such.


Not nearly as much as maintaining the status quo benefits the current oil industry. Not even close.

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#55 Nov 25 2009 at 8:53 PM Rating: Decent
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What possible massive Smiley: tinfoilhat political machination could global climate change research be supporting? @#%^ing look at the situation for 5 seconds before you parrot conservative dogma. Do you really think the complete overhaul of the energy infrastructure benefits anyone politically or fiscally?


It could actually benefit someone pushing socialism and make a fair argument for such. Whether or not that is true would then be the issue. Climate reform often wants to push money from richer countries to poorer countries. It also places a larger government control over funds and infrastructure.

You could make a fair argument until you reach the sheer scale of the conspiracy. It encompasses far too many people in far too many places for everyone to be complicit.
#56 Nov 25 2009 at 10:46 PM Rating: Good
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What possible massive Smiley: tinfoilhat political machination could global climate change research be supporting? @#%^ing look at the situation for 5 seconds before you parrot conservative dogma. Do you really think the complete overhaul of the energy infrastructure benefits anyone politically or fiscally?


It could actually benefit someone pushing socialism and make a fair argument for such. Whether or not that is true would then be the issue. Climate reform often wants to push money from richer countries to poorer countries. It also places a larger government control over funds and infrastructure.


You could make a fair argument until you reach the sheer scale of the conspiracy. It encompasses far too many people in far too many places for everyone to be complicit.


Generally speaking, in any functioning large scale conspiracy, the majority are not complicit, just 'following orders' or believing incorrect information.

Not that this is the case in this example.
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#57 Nov 25 2009 at 10:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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You know, allowing multinationals to remain unregulated is the surest path to personal freedom and economic prosperity.


HAHAHAHA

Just kidding.
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#58 Nov 25 2009 at 10:57 PM Rating: Good
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#59 Nov 26 2009 at 6:10 AM Rating: Excellent
I don't want to sound patronising, but I'm really proud of how Ash has turned out. He's going to be a fine young man, one day.

Anyway, I don't really care about the consipracy claims, but I do care about newspaper claims. And anyone who uses the acronym MSM in the UK to denote a lefty slant should automatically be hung by the balls. With barb-wire. Rusty barb-wire. The majority of print media is so incredibly right-wing here. Here's the circulation by newspaper, in order, with the political slant:

1) The Sun, 3.1m, right-wing.
2) Daily Mail, 2.2m, right-wing.
3) Daily Mirror, 1.3m, left-wing.
4) Daily Telegraph, 0.78m, right-wing.
5) Daily Star, 0.76m, tits.
6) Daily Express, 0.74m, Diana.
7) The Times, 0.6m, right-wing.
8) Financial Times, 0.4m, right-wing.
9) The Guardian, 0.35m, left-wing.
10) Daily Record, 0.35m, no idea, who the fuck read that?!
11) Evening Standard, 0.2m, right-wing.
12) The Indy (the one I read), 0.2m, left-wing.

So yeah, I wouldn't pay too much attention to some retarded blogger from the Telgraph whose books have such retarded names...
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#60 Nov 26 2009 at 6:33 AM Rating: Good
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I don't want to sound patronising, but I'm really proud of how Ash has turned out. He's going to be a fine young man, one day.

I don't know. I fear he's swaying too far left these days. At this pace, he'll make Smash look like Mussolini.
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#61 Nov 26 2009 at 6:39 AM Rating: Good
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I don't want to sound patronising, but I'm really proud of how Ash has turned out. He's going to be a fine young man, one day.

I don't know. I fear he's swaying too far left these days. At this pace, he'll make Smash look like Mussolini.


Like I said, a fine young man.
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#62 Nov 26 2009 at 6:46 AM Rating: Good
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Do you not mean delusional?
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#63 Nov 26 2009 at 6:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do you not mean delusional?


Hmm, let me check.

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Nope, fine young man. We'll take good care of him when he migrates over here.
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#64 Nov 26 2009 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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Hmm, let me check.

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Nope, fine young man. We'll take good care of him when he migrates over here.
I should have known better. Leave it to the French to get it wrong.

Edited, Nov 26th 2009 9:04am by Uglysasquatch
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#65 Nov 26 2009 at 7:06 AM Rating: Good
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Hmm, let me check.

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Nope, fine young man. We'll take good care of him when he migrates over here.
I should have known better. Leave it to the French to not know better.


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#66 Nov 26 2009 at 7:55 AM Rating: Good
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As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”.


Andrew Bolt? He cited Andrew Bolt?!

ANDREW BOLT?!

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Interview in the Spectator with Australian geology Professor Ian Plimer re his book Heaven And Earth. Plimer makes the point that CO2 is not a pollutant – CO2 is plant food, and that climate change is an ongoing natural process.


Never mind that Ian Plimer is director of no less than three Australian mining companies and heavily invested in the mining industry, which would stand to lose profits as a consequence of the emissions trading scheme.

Edited, Nov 26th 2009 2:03pm by zepoodle
#67 Nov 26 2009 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
The sprinter?
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#68 Nov 26 2009 at 8:07 AM Rating: Good
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The sprinter?


That's Usain Bolt, who is a machine and not a man. Andrew Bolt is a columnist and pundit who writes for the Herald Sun. He's the journalistic equivalent of a forum troll.

That blogger may as well have cited Varus.

Edited, Nov 26th 2009 2:09pm by zepoodle
#69 Nov 26 2009 at 8:20 AM Rating: Excellent
What's the weather like on Evil Mountain?

I'd imagine it would be thunderous.
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#70 Nov 26 2009 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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Good thing no one jumped to conclusions on that one though...
A few out of context snippets are certainly damning though.

Edited, Nov 26th 2009 9:09am by Xsarus
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#71 Nov 26 2009 at 9:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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And anyone who uses the acronym MSM in the UK to denote a lefty slant should automatically be hung by the balls.

Speaking of, if Fox crushes all the other networks in viewership doesn't that means that Fox, by definition, is the "mainstream media"?
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#72 Nov 26 2009 at 9:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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What possible massive Smiley: tinfoilhat political machination could global climate change research be supporting? @#%^ing look at the situation for 5 seconds before you parrot conservative dogma. Do you really think the complete overhaul of the energy infrastructure benefits anyone politically or fiscally?


It could actually benefit someone pushing socialism and make a fair argument for such. Whether or not that is true would then be the issue. Climate reform often wants to push money from richer countries to poorer countries. It also places a larger government control over funds and infrastructure.

Regulation of poisons does not have to take the form of more government and less private industry. What makes a poison is the dosage. Water is vital for us, but you can actually die of water poisoning if you drink too much of it, pushing your cells too far apart to communicate with each other via electrolytes.

We now think that there's a dosage amount that turns vital CO2 into a poison for the homeostatis of the Earth's climate.

When we found out Asbestos we banned it. Private industry got over the shock, learned to make items without it, and chugged along just fine in the long run. The same with DDT. The old Asbestos and DDT industries lost jobs, but new jobs came along with the new alternatives.

We don't want to ban the output of CO2, just put it into a working balance, that lessens the human input into climate change. Emissions Trading Schemes are designed to share around CO2 rights, given that we are now restricting ourselves to a smaller CO2 pie. That might seem like socialism, making companies share in a resource. But it's actually the more freeing compromise.

Given this year's science, Governments would have an ethically sound choice to simply ban the output of CO2 outright, the same way that they did Asbestos, DDT, and a host of other harmful substances. Banning a harmful substance doesn't put more control of funds and infrastructure into government hands, or take them away from shareholders. It simply stops people from being poisoned. In the case of CO2, the poison might not be direct, but if this decade and a half long drought in Australia, with it's accompanying extreme weather, wild-fires and crop failures is a result of climate change that is 50% anthropomorphic, and not just co-incidentally the worst drought we've ever had, then the suffering it's causing Australian's is no less deadly.

300 dead in wild-fires, when we have hardly had any people die that way for decades. Farmers shooting themselves all over the place. Building insurance that just keeps sky-rocketing. Hundreds of thousands of people whose town water supplies have simply run out, and have to buy drinking water from the supermarkets, and wash themselves with cloths and bottled water. Water-tank manufacturers cannot keep up with the demand. Everyone wants an independent water supply, because no rain is falling into the dam catchments. Towns buy in truck loads of water, which they pump at the local sporting ground change room facilities, and everyone in town lines up for a fortnightly or weekly shower. Thank god it hasn't come to that in the major cities, but it might.
#73 Nov 26 2009 at 9:27 AM Rating: Decent
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What's the weather like on Evil Mountain?

I'd imagine it would be thunderous.


Coincidentally, the weather here is thunderous. Earlier in the afternoon, the sky practically exploded.

Ari will know what I'm talking about. If this rain keeps up, there'll be no more bushfire deaths this year. Everyone will be too busy drowning to death.
#74 Nov 26 2009 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
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What's the weather like on Evil Mountain?

I'd imagine it would be thunderous.


Coincidentally, the weather here is thunderous. Earlier in the afternoon, the sky practically exploded.

Ari will know what I'm talking about. If this rain keeps up, there'll be no more bushfire deaths this year. Everyone will be too busy drowning to death.

Yeah, when they said that the Tropical zone might move further south, everyone thought it might get as far as Sydney in 100 years.

Tropical weather turning up in Melbourne on 4 or 5 occasions the last three years is like 4 or 5 ice-burgs occasionally sailing past Florida the last few years. The weirdness is... weird. Melbourne used to do cold and wet, or hot and dry, with extensive Springs and Autumns in between. This year Spring lasted 3 days, then the weather went all over the place, before settling on HOT and WET today. I'm sure there's a billion people on the planet who are used to warm rain pouring on them, but I'm not one of them. Melbourne is like New York or London. It's just not in the Monsoon area.
#75 Nov 26 2009 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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And anyone who uses the acronym MSM in the UK to denote a lefty slant should automatically be hung by the balls.

Speaking of, if Fox crushes all the other networks in viewership doesn't that means that Fox, by definition, is the "mainstream media"?


By definition. Good thing we have rebel networks like CNN to redress the MSM's Conservative bias...
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#76 Nov 26 2009 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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Oh man, something terrible is happening just outside the boundaries of Ari's avater. Something terribly hot.
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