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#52 Dec 07 2009 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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Contacting the police about CP is one of the dumbest things you can do. Enjoy your jail.


Boy, I wonder if I'd rather go into court as the person who got it, deleted it, and contacted the FBI or the person who got it, deleted it, pretended it never happened, and got fucked over later. This is a tough decision.

Maybe I'll just stick with not downloading ****. It's worked pretty well so far.

streaming **** is the wave of the now.



and the NOW....?
#53 Dec 07 2009 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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Sweetums wrote:
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Contacting the police about CP is one of the dumbest things you can do. Enjoy your jail.


Boy, I wonder if I'd rather go into court as the person who got it, deleted it, and contacted the FBI or the person who got it, deleted it, pretended it never happened, and got fucked over later. This is a tough decision.

Maybe I'll just stick with not downloading ****. It's worked pretty well so far.
None of the above, as the former would give the FBI a delightful confession that you did, in fact, download CP (intent isn't a part of the equation).


Is that true? I was taught back in law class that you need to have the "criminal mind" for a crime to occur. Downloading CP on purpose is intent; getting it when you think you're getting legal **** would not be. Granted the class didn't focus on CP...
#54 Dec 07 2009 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
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Contacting the police about CP is one of the dumbest things you can do. Enjoy your jail.


Boy, I wonder if I'd rather go into court as the person who got it, deleted it, and contacted the FBI or the person who got it, deleted it, pretended it never happened, and got fucked over later. This is a tough decision.

Maybe I'll just stick with not downloading ****. It's worked pretty well so far.
None of the above, as the former would give the FBI a delightful confession that you did, in fact, download CP (intent isn't a part of the equation).


Is that true? I was taught back in law class that you need to have the "criminal mind" for a crime to occur. Downloading CP on purpose is intent; getting it when you think you're getting legal **** would not be. Granted the class didn't focus on CP...
Are you willing to take the risk of police twisting your words with something as touchy as CP?
#55 Dec 07 2009 at 5:02 PM Rating: Decent
Plus the GGW **** was not technically legal since he was downloading it from Livewire. I highly doubt Joe Francis in all his douchebaggery would be okay with not milking his products for all their worth dollar wise. How would he pay for his own lawyers to help get him off from harassment charges and other delightful misdeeds?
#56 Dec 07 2009 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Why would the FBI want to protect people that are already breaking laws anyways?


Gee, I don't know. Why should I be charged with first degree murder when I accelerate to 90 mph and aim straight for those motherfucking jaywalkers who always make me miss the left-turn arrow?
#57 Dec 07 2009 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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Plus the GGW **** was not technically legal since he was downloading it from Livewire. I highly doubt Joe Francis in all his douchebaggery would be okay with not milking his products for all their worth dollar wise. How would he pay for his own lawyers to help get him off from harassment charges and other delightful misdeeds?
Child **** or copyright infringement? Golly, those two are clearly worthy of the same scorn.

#58 Dec 07 2009 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Also, since I've never used file recovery, I should ask: is it impossible to recover time of deletion along with the time of creation? I'd think that would be helpful for the dude, if you could get a nice "deleted after 20 seconds" value or something.
#59 Dec 07 2009 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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This is why it is important to do a full sector-by-sector format of your HD and reinstall your OS at least once a year.


Good idea in theory and it would certainly keep people from recovering data under normal circumstances but forensic equipment would still be able to recover most if not all of the data for several years off of an HDD formatted under such conditions due to the inaccuracy and inherent error of position the R/W heads on the platters. The devices they use can pick up the small magnetic variations around the edges of the individual bits and piece together the data even after several full random formats.
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#60 Dec 07 2009 at 5:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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You should be able to get a time of deletion, but it really depends on how much activity has overwritten that data in the mean time.

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#61 Dec 07 2009 at 5:19 PM Rating: Decent
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You should be able to get a time of deletion, but it really depends on how much activity has overwritten that data in the mean time.



So one should make a 1 GB wordpad document of nothing but straight lines and save it until the HDD is full instead of deleting things?

This is not a serious question and contains a tone of facetiousness.
#62 Dec 07 2009 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
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This is why it is important to do a full sector-by-sector format of your HD and reinstall your OS at least once a year.


Good idea in theory and it would certainly keep people from recovering data under normal circumstances but forensic equipment would still be able to recover most if not all of the data for several years off of an HDD formatted under such conditions due to the inaccuracy and inherent error of position the R/W heads on the platters. The devices they use can pick up the small magnetic variations around the edges of the individual bits and piece together the data even after several full random formats.
While theoretically possible, it's so slow and expensive that it's incredibly unlikely. It basically amounts to using an incredibly powerful microscope and going over all the data, bit-by-bit.
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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You should be able to get a time of deletion, but it really depends on how much activity has overwritten that data in the mean time.



So one should make a 1 GB wordpad document of nothing but straight lines and save it until the HDD is full instead of deleting things?

This is not a serious question and contains a tone of facetiousness.


Or just buy a new hard drive every year?
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#64 Dec 07 2009 at 5:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Is that true? I was taught back in law class that you need to have the "criminal mind" for a crime to occur. Downloading CP on purpose is intent; getting it when you think you're getting legal **** would not be. Granted the class didn't focus on CP...

Willfully giving the police evidence against is almost always a bad idea. Cooperation beyond what is required doesn't make you look good and doesn't work to your advantage, it only provides more opportunities for a ***** up to occur.

For example, you should never take a polygraph test to prove your innocence. There is a significant chance of a false positive; you have nothing to gain and a fair amount to lose.
#65 Dec 07 2009 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
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Is that true? I was taught back in law class that you need to have the "criminal mind" for a crime to occur. Downloading CP on purpose is intent; getting it when you think you're getting legal **** would not be. Granted the class didn't focus on CP...

Willfully giving the police evidence against is almost always a bad idea. Cooperation beyond what is required doesn't make you look good and doesn't work to your advantage, it only provides more opportunities for a ***** up to occur.

For example, you should never take a polygraph test to prove your innocence. There is a significant chance of a false positive; you have nothing to gain and a fair amount to lose.


I forget what the organization's actual name is, but it's part of the American pornography stuff. They had a website dedicated to safe internet pornography, and on it there was a list of things to avoid (certain terms) and what to do if you accidentally stumbled upon illegal material.

It basically said exactly the opposite of what the FBI comment said. That you should erase everything and never visit that area again. But it also said that accidentally stumbling upon websites with that material was not likely to cause issues. Hell, someone could make a website called freebeernhotwings and fill it will illegal crap, and you could visit it and have all that stuff on your computer...


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And Pensive, just for sh*ts and giggles, I created 34GB worth of word documents. It took about 45 minutes... Windows would only allow the word document to be 16MB in size, after that it wouldn't let me copy paste anymore.

Edited, Dec 7th 2009 7:02pm by TirithRR
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#66 Dec 07 2009 at 10:05 PM Rating: Good
************* just need to copy and paste the POL folder over and over again. It's 10 gigabytes now.
#67 Dec 08 2009 at 4:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Why would the FBI want to protect people that are already breaking laws anyways?


Gee, I don't know. Why should I be charged with first degree murder when I accelerate to 90 mph and aim straight for those motherfucking jaywalkers who always make me miss the left-turn arrow?


Just for the record I wasn't saying I agreed with the concept, I just don't trust law enforcement of any variety. It seems like to most of them, if you're guilty of one minor crime that makes you more likely to be guilty of more severe crimes.
#68 Dec 08 2009 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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I'm pretty sure my method of data security is a good one.

It's cheap and requires no planning too.
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#69 Dec 08 2009 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
You should be able to get a time of deletion, but it really depends on how much activity has overwritten that data in the mean time.



I'm not as up on the low level specifics of NTFS, but I don't think that's the case. Files generally contain creation times, modification times, and access times. That data is typically deleted when the reference to the file in the parent directory is erased. I suppose that may be recovered if there hasn't been sufficient file activity in that directory to force a rehash of the directory table, but this still wont tell you when the file itself was deleted. You may be able to extrapolate a time range in which the file was probably deleted, but that's about it. This may be sufficient, or it may not...


As to cleaning the hard drive. It's quite possible to zero out a hard drive and make it impossible to recover anything from it. It's done all the time when there's potentially sensitive data on a disk and you're doing something like selling back a piece of hardware with the attached system (happens all the time). I usually prefer to just buy another blank disk and put it in there, but occasionally we do zero out disks. You don't use format or fdisk. You actually write zeros to each data block of the disk, typically using something like the 'dd' utility in unix.

Of course, this only really works if you want to erase the entire contents of a disk. The typical home user isn't going to do this ever, much less "often".
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#70 Dec 08 2009 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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Of course, this only really works if you want to erase the entire contents of a disk. The typical home user isn't going to do this ever, much less "often".


Especially not in the time between when federal agents are knocking on your door, and the time the get to your computer desk.
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#71 Dec 08 2009 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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The guy somehow couldn't find **** to stream on the internet so he was downloading Girls Gone Wild. That's his story?


I have a friend who downloads ****, and I have no idea why. With all the streaming available, why risk the viruses? Ho hum.



I'm with Locke on this one. There are so many sites out there with free "Relatively safe" viewing that I don't see the reason to download something. If I really like it I save the site. After a while the same thing over and over gets boring and ineffective anyway.
#72 Dec 08 2009 at 5:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Windows would only allow the word document to be 16MB in size, after that it wouldn't let me copy paste anymore.


That can't be right.. I have a notepad file that's over a couple of gigs big.

(I wrote a java program that outputted 0 to the first line, 1 to the second, 2 to the third, and so on until I end tasked the process.)

For future occasions, I suggest you line the doorway that the computer must be taken through to leave the room with a powerful electromagnet hooked up to one of your light switches.

Edited, Dec 8th 2009 6:23pm by Deadgye
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#73 Dec 08 2009 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
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Windows would only allow the word document to be 16MB in size, after that it wouldn't let me copy paste anymore.


That can't be right.. I have a notepad file that's over a couple of gigs big.

(I wrote a java program that outputted 0 to the first line, 1 to the second, 2 to the third, and so on until I end tasked the process.)

Edited, Dec 8th 2009 6:18pm by Deadgye
Well the limit is actually 32 MB of text, according to Microsoft.
#74 Dec 08 2009 at 5:26 PM Rating: Excellent
Does **** like this actually help protect the children?

I'm failing to see how it does, even really indirectly.
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#75 Dec 08 2009 at 7:43 PM Rating: Good
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Does sh*t like this actually help protect the children?

I'm failing to see how it does, even really indirectly.


Nope, but it sure gets people to vote for it.
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#76 Dec 08 2009 at 9:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Does sh*t like this actually help protect the children?

I'm failing to see how it does, even really indirectly.


The theory is that if you punish people who trade child ****, it'll remove some kind of market and therefore reduce the rate at which children are victimized by it. I honestly don't buy it either. I would assume that most of the kids appearing in child pornography are either involved in child prostitution, or are just victims of some pedophile. In both cases, the pictures are a byproduct of the primary crime. No amount of chasing down the guys trading pictures of the child victims will prevent them from being victims.

It is possible to trace said pictures back to the victims and the people victimizing them, but whether or not they prosecute some random guy who downloaded the pictures off a site or not really has not bearing on that. Or at least, I can't see how it does. And I also can't see how reducing the number of people downloading said pictures in any way diminishes the rate at which children will become victims.
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