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Wait, what? We're getting almost 90% of the bailout back?Follow

#1 Dec 07 2009 at 12:49 PM Rating: Excellent
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/07/business/07tarp.html?_r=2&hp

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The Treasury Department expects to recover all but $42 billion of the $370 billion it has lent to ailing companies since the financial crisis began last year, with the portion lent to banks actually showing a slight profit, according to a new Treasury report.


TARP was a Bush administration program, and I'll give him credit: It seems to have worked. We did not enter Great Depression II. And if the banks are going to pay most of it back, then all the better. (The $42 billion they're not getting back was from banks that actually did roll under.)

Obama will announce, however, that he'd like $200 billion of the paid back TARP funds to be rolled over into a jobs creation program, separate from the economic stimulus and from TARP. The meta economy may have recovered, but individuals in America are still suffering.

#2 Dec 07 2009 at 12:53 PM Rating: Default
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Yup. Which is why Conservatives didn't have too much trouble with the bailout money itself (although most of us thought it could have been targeted a bit better). The issue was with the other 1.2 trillion dollars that the Dems lumped in with the 400 Billion of actual bailout money...

But hey! Never let a crisis go to waste.
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#3 Dec 07 2009 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
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The issue was with the other 1.2 trillion dollars that the Dems lumped in with the 400 Billion of actual bailout money...


Elaborate, please. And include citations.
#4 Dec 07 2009 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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The issue was with the other 1.2 trillion dollars that the Dems lumped in with the 400 Billion of actual bailout money...


Elaborate, please. And include citations.


Do I really need citations? Really? There have been two bills directly related to economic stimulus and/or bailout. Each was about 800B. Thus, we've spent 1.6Trillion dollars to deal with the financial crisis. Your post spoke of about 400B spent in bailout money, of which we'll get 90% back. Simple math leaves us wondering about the other 1.2 Trillion dollars...


Of course, your second paragraph blows that away as well. Because out of the 400B we spent on bailouts, 90% is returned, but out of that, the Dems want to take 200B and spend it again on other stuff. Kinda seems like they just want to keep spending money until we don't get any back, doesn't it?
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#5 Dec 07 2009 at 1:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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the Dems want to take 200B and spend it again on other stuff.
This is why I'm so glad Canada kept the Conservatives in power. Harper's too fucking cheap to spend the money again if he ever got any of it back.
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#6 Dec 07 2009 at 1:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kinda seems like they just want to keep spending money until we don't get any back, doesn't it?

Be quicker to spend it on hookers and blow then rather than jobs programs.
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#7 Dec 07 2009 at 1:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Kinda seems like they just want to keep spending money until we don't get any back, doesn't it?

Be quicker to spend it on hookers and blow then rather than jobs programs.


Doublewin!
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This could actually see wide bipartisan support.
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#9 Dec 07 2009 at 2:27 PM Rating: Good
If that $200 billion gets me a job worth doing, I'll gladly pay back my share in taxes.

The world needs more editors!

You threw out the $1.2 trillion dollar figure without specifying that it was the economic stimulus package, which is why I asked for elaborations and citations. The actual figure spent by the Feds and Congress on bailoutey stuff has been $2.2 trillion, while the amount allocated is closer to $11 trillion.

(I admit, I had to look up what Commercial Paper Funding Facility was. $1.4 trillion just for that! It's money allocated to back up, FDIC style, mortgage backed securities and other toxic assets. In other words, it's a $1.4 trillion dollar gift basket to Wall Street. And that came from Bush's Feds, not the legislature.)
#10 Dec 07 2009 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
catwho wrote:
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The issue was with the other 1.2 trillion dollars that the Dems lumped in with the 400 Billion of actual bailout money...


Elaborate, please. And include citations.


Do I really need citations? Really?

Yes, you do. Everyone should. Seriously? What makes you think that what you have to say is magically exempt from citations?
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#11 Dec 07 2009 at 3:20 PM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
gbaji wrote:
catwho wrote:
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The issue was with the other 1.2 trillion dollars that the Dems lumped in with the 400 Billion of actual bailout money...


Elaborate, please. And include citations.


Do I really need citations? Really?

Yes, you do. Everyone should. Seriously? What makes you think that what you have to say is magically exempt from citations?


Was anyone actually questioning the existence of a couple of ~800B bills sold to the public specifically to address the financial crisis, and in which the bailout funds mentioned in the OP were included? I mean, how can you bother to post in this thread if you're that unaware of the history of the issue at hand?


And yes. I'm aware that there have been other expenditures buried in other bills along the way. I was limiting my number to just those dollars that can absolutely be identified as "stimulus" spending, and nothing else.
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#12 Dec 07 2009 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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catwho wrote:
You threw out the $1.2 trillion dollar figure without specifying that it was the economic stimulus package, which is why I asked for elaborations and citations.


I assumed that the phrase "lumped in with the bailout money", was sufficient to identify what I was talking about.
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#13 Dec 07 2009 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Was anyone actually questioning the existence of a couple of ~800B bills sold to the public specifically to address the financial crisis, and in which the bailout funds mentioned in the OP were included? I mean, how can you bother to post in this thread if you're that unaware of the history of the issue at hand?


I think it was more your claim that the other 1.2 trillion was all democrat spending.
#14 Dec 07 2009 at 4:29 PM Rating: Decent
Silly CBD, don't you know that a Dem controlled congress automatically means that anything the Federal Reserve does was a Dem conspiracy to spend your money, even if the Feds were under a Republican presidency at the time?
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