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#102 Dec 09 2009 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
gbaji wrote:
Also, insurance should be provided by a private organization. Never by the government. The very concept is ludicrous (think about it).


I think every country that has government run healthcare would argue with you.

I also think a lot of people in this country with private health insurance would argue with you.
#103REDACTED, Posted: Dec 09 2009 at 10:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Joph,
#104 Dec 09 2009 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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Only the hardcore left approve of anything he's doing now.


Not true at all, but shows how out of touch you are with anything besides your sound bites. Liberals are upset he hasn't repealed DOMA (yet), legalized marijuana and gay marriage, closed Guantanimo (yet), pulled out of the Middle East (yet), and is still catering to the right with health care when they obviously just don't want anything proposed by the Democrats passed.

They still support him though, because he's the best we've got, can talk, is charismatic, and has increased our support in the rest of the world immensely.
#105 Dec 09 2009 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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What I do have a problem is liberal democrats who think it's their right to vote people in office who promise to steal from one class to finance the life of another.

That's all democrats are about is the re-distribution of wealth in an obvious and transparent attempt to control the populace. That's all socialized healthcare is about; that's all increasing taxes is about.


Thats all conservatives do though - re-distribute the wealth so the work the poor/middle class performs is worth less - and their salaries, when compared to inflation, keep dropping each year - while the upper class gets more - each year CEOs make a gross amount more than they have in previous years when inflation is taken into account. Its no secret. There are assloads of reports out there on the average salary being less significant while the heads of companies are growing exponentially. Stop saying "Democrats try to redistribute wealth" while implying Republicans do not. You are only half right.

Be honest about your arguments and maybe - MAYBE - people will believe you.

Then again, you work in the insurance industry - you cant be honest.
#106 Dec 09 2009 at 10:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not true at all, but shows how out of touch you are with anything besides your sound bites. Liberals are upset he hasn't repealed DOMA (yet), legalized marijuana and gay marriage, closed Guantanimo (yet), pulled out of the Middle East (yet), and is still catering to the right with health care when they obviously just don't want anything proposed by the Democrats passed.

I'd think his strongest support would be with the moderate left. The more pragmatic folks who weren't expecting, or deeply invested in, things like a swift withdrawal from Afghanistan, immediate repeal of DOMA, a sudden shift to Canadian health care, etc.
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#107 Dec 09 2009 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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I'd think his strongest support would be with the moderate left. The more pragmatic folks who weren't expecting, or deeply invested in, things like a swift withdrawal from Afghanistan, immediate repeal of DOMA, a sudden shift to Canadian health care, etc.


Yeah, and this chunk of the left actually comprises a larger amount of people than the louder but smaller progressive left.

Repealing DOMA would be nice, but it needs to be a legislative solution or else the next pubbie president will just come along and reinstate it. Guantanamo's replacement facility has been purchased and they're starting to refurbish it; the super-duper-max facility is expected to bring 300 jobs to a fairly job-starved area of Illinois. Afghanistan is a *********** and while I would have liked him to get us out sooner, I'll respect his well-thought-out plans and give them a shot before I pick up my war protest sign again.

As for the healthcare . . . well, we have seriously thought about moving to Canada for that. I love America, but I can't afford to get sick here even WITH insurance.
#108REDACTED, Posted: Dec 09 2009 at 10:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Locked,
#109REDACTED, Posted: Dec 09 2009 at 10:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Manifest,
#110 Dec 09 2009 at 10:57 AM Rating: Excellent
You think any of us give a **** what a racist insurance salesman who wouldn't look out of place in a far-right meeting thinks about Obama? Seriously, why do you keep ranting about him? Is it because you hate yourself for wanting his big black **** rammed inside your ****? Cos if so, we're not therapists.

Well Anna is, I guess you could PM her.
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#111 Dec 09 2009 at 10:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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He is the best the poor, uneducated, non-working, communist, welfare babies have that's for sure.


You calling Obama uneducated, never mind stupid, is just hilarious.

Poor? Non-working? Welfare? Where do you get this stuff?

You know who else was poor and uneducated by today's standards? Pretty much every President up until Teddy Roosevelt.

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#112 Dec 09 2009 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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He is the best the poor, uneducated, non-working, communist, welfare babies have that's for sure.


You calling Obama uneducated, never mind stupid, is just hilarious.

Poor? Non-working? Welfare? Where do you get this stuff?

You know who else was poor and uneducated by today's standards? Pretty much every President up until Teddy Roosevelt.



I don't think he was calling Obama those things. I think he was saying that Obama is the best hope for the poor, uneducated, non-working, communist people on welfare.

ETA: Though, honestly, I'm not sure why that should be a bad thing...

Edited, Dec 9th 2009 11:03am by Belkira
#113 Dec 09 2009 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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He is the best the poor, uneducated, non-working, communist, welfare babies have that's for sure.


I'm still not sure how a baby can be poor, uneducated, non-working, communist and on welfare. That's some crazy babies you have in the US.
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#114REDACTED, Posted: Dec 09 2009 at 11:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,
#115REDACTED, Posted: Dec 09 2009 at 11:06 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Red,
#116 Dec 09 2009 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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As long as the actions of the president don't deprive it's citizens of life, liberty, and property and protects the country from foreign and domestic aggressors I really don't care what they do. What I do have a problem is liberal democrats who think it's their right to vote people in office who promise to steal from one class to finance the life of another.


It is their right, you fucking simpleton. Just as it's the Republicans right to vote in crooks to rape every facet of Americana. It's the circle of life man.
#117 Dec 09 2009 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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And I thought Obama was going to be this great uniter.


Somehow I doubt you did.

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#118 Dec 09 2009 at 11:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Manifest,

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Thats all conservatives do though - re-distribute the wealth so the work the poor/middle class performs is worth less


God you're f*cking stupid. Do you even know what re-distribution of wealth means? People who work a job aren't causing the value of the poor/middle class to decline and anyone who thinks that has probably never held a real job. If you want to talk about de-valuing the worth of work for the poor/middle class you had better look to immigration reform. And guess which party is all for legalizing the illegals...





Yes, I do know what it means: "the transfer of income, wealth or property from some individuals to others." Which, you pillar of intellect, can also capture the flow of money from the poor/middle class to the wealthy. Its a simple concept some people with significant power have: ****. I would like more money. How can I do that? I know! I can decrease the salaries of those working for me while increasing my own. Jackpot!

Sorry, I am not a Republican shill, I realize that "redistribution of wealth" can go both ways and not just one. And I also realize - unlike you - that the poor/middle class have lost money while the upper class has gained it every year for the last few decades. Cry all you want about re-distribution of wealth, but your "Democrats are taking money from the rich" is in direct conflict with the reality of the middle/lower class' shrinking salaries and the upper class' growing salaries.

Edited, Dec 9th 2009 12:14pm by ManifestOfKujata
#119 Dec 09 2009 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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And I thought Obama was going to be this great uniter.


Somehow I doubt you did.



Yeah, me too.

It's the "I thought" that got me suspicious.
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#120 Dec 09 2009 at 11:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Guess that only applies if you goose step to Obama's tune.

I do more of a foxtrot.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#121 Dec 09 2009 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
It was Bush that whined he was a "uniter, not a divider."
#122 Dec 09 2009 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
Obama is the uniter. He united the poor, the uneducated and the welfare babies to stand up and take our country back so we can become rich, educated and welfare adults. It's awesome.

But seriously, it was the largest election in 4 decades. He united something at the very least.
#123 Dec 09 2009 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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What a surprise a ***** refering to Obama's johnson.



Is a guy who got caught posting a "man seeking man" singles ad really allowed to accuse anyone else of being *****?

#124 Dec 09 2009 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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#125 Dec 09 2009 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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Takes one to know one?


I was thinking more along the lines of "he who smelt it, dealt it."
#126 Dec 09 2009 at 1:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Tulip,

Actually I was saying that Obama caters to these classes because he knows they're the ones most easily duped.

I'd actually say the extremest religious right is the most easily duped, as they vote on who yells "jesus" the loudest.
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