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#102 Jan 18 2010 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
Joph,

You really think a republican has a chance at winning kennedys seat?
#103 Jan 18 2010 at 2:07 PM Rating: Decent
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publiusvarus wrote:
You really think a republican has a chance at winning kennedys seat?


At the risk of quoting Brown: It's not Kennedy's seat.

And I have a feeling that given the track record of what the Dems have done so far with government under their control, the argument about avoiding blockage isn't going to resonate with too many people. Even in a bastion of liberalism like Mass...
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#104 Jan 18 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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publiusvarus wrote:
You really think a republican has a chance at winning kennedys seat?

*Shrug*

Sure, maybe. I'd rather it were otherwise but that's all neither here nor there towards commenting on the certification process and how long it takes.
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#105 Jan 18 2010 at 3:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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And I have a feeling


That the iphone would be a minor player in that market? That McCain would win 300 electoral votes? That the one thing people didn't want was small, cheap portable laptops?

Due respect, you having a feeling Brown has a chance pretty much made me decide not to bother voting tomorrow. Coakley can't lose now.

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#106REDACTED, Posted: Jan 18 2010 at 3:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Is there any doubt Coakley will win?
#107 Jan 18 2010 at 3:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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So, wait, if Brown wins am I supposed to taunt Varus or what?
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#109 Jan 18 2010 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Smasharoo wrote:
Due respect, you having a feeling Brown has a chance pretty much made me decide not to bother voting tomorrow. Coakley can't lose now.


Hah! Mission Accomplished!


I know you live in your own liberal bubble Smash, but most people in the US still do believe in the concept of checks and balances in our government. They tend to strongly support the idea of not allowing a single party to control the whole thing. Regardless of how the Republicans and Democrats feel directly, the Independents in Mass likely care most about making sure neither party has too strong of a hand, and that's why Brown has a shot at winning this.

If there was a more even distribution of power right now, conventional wisdom would prevail and Coakley would win, no matter how horrible she may be. But the situation is quite different.
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#110 Jan 18 2010 at 5:17 PM Rating: Good
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Has gbaji ever even been to Massachusetts and can get that inside voters' heads?
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#111 Jan 18 2010 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:
Has gbaji ever even been to Massachusetts and can get that inside voters' heads?


Don't need to. Independents tend to label themselves such specifically because they don't identify with a particular party or agenda. Regardless of how any single individuals within a group of independents may feel about any given issue, the group as a whole is going to tend to oppose any one party having too much control over the government.

Mass has a high percentage of independents. Their motivation in this election is absolutely going to be to break the supermajority of the Dems. Not because they are fans of Republicans, but purely to ensure that some amount of parity exists. That's why they are independents...
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#112 Jan 18 2010 at 6:09 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:
Has gbaji ever even been to Massachusetts and can get that inside voters' heads?


Don't need to. Independents tend to label themselves such specifically because they don't identify with a particular party or agenda. Regardless of how any single individuals within a group of independents may feel about any given issue, the group as a whole is going to tend to oppose any one party having too much control over the government.

Mass has a high percentage of independents. Their motivation in this election is absolutely going to be to break the supermajority of the Dems. Not because they are fans of Republicans, but purely to ensure that some amount of parity exists. That's why they are independents...


Yes you do. You know nothing about Massachusetts or even what kind of Independents they have. You accuse Smash of living in a liberal bubble? Guess what that "bubble" is? It's ******* Massachusetts, which he is in more of a position to comment about, being a (lifelong?) resident. Jesus, even the way Smash posts, he acts like a Masshole. You aren't on the pulse of jack **** in New England.
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#113 Jan 18 2010 at 8:38 PM Rating: Good
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You aren't on the pulse of jack sh*t in New England.
He lives in San Diego, which is an entirely different nation (presently, Mexico Lite).
#114 Jan 18 2010 at 10:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mass has a high percentage of independents.


Mass.'s independents are all Republicans who are too embarrassed to register as such.

In all honesty, if I had a choice to bang Coakley or Brown, I'd go with Brown. Even as a heterosexual, Coakley turns me off that much. She's still getting my vote though, simply because she will vote to pass health care reform.

Brown's not a bad guy, but his platform is basically to troll the healthcare reform bill.
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#115 Jan 19 2010 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
Voter turnout is unexpectedly high in MA. The weather is crappy, however, and deteriorating, so that may not last throughout the day.

Final polling shows Coakley squeaking by with a super narrow win, but if it goes to recount or to absentee ballots, odds favor Brown will gain a lot of ground. We could be looking at another Coleman/Franklin mess here.
#116 Jan 19 2010 at 12:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, they're already calling it ~50% turnout so far which, for a special election, is pretty huge.

I guess someone's GOTV machine is up and running. I won't make guesses as to whose.

Edited, Jan 19th 2010 12:42pm by Jophiel
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Brown needs to be up by 155% to defeat the Mass. Reverse-Bradley Effect!!!!!
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#119 Jan 19 2010 at 7:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm moving to Canada!!!!

Well this will be a mildly annoying 20 months.
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#120 Jan 19 2010 at 8:09 PM Rating: Good
Poll results are currently favoring Brown, 53% to 46%, with 70% of precincts reporting.
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#121 Jan 19 2010 at 8:17 PM Rating: Good
CNN just projected Brown winning, 75% of precincts in, 53% to 46% at the moment.

So now what?
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#122 Jan 19 2010 at 8:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nightsintdreams wrote:
So now what?

Obama's already moved up the date of the State of the Union to the 27th. This would strongly hint that the Democrats in Congress plan to pass the reform bll before then since it's the centerpoint of what they've done so far. This could be accomplished by either having the House pass the Senate bill untouched, by having a compromise bill both chambers can agree on pass swiftly or by having a Senate-centric bill pass with a promise to the House that sections of it will be revised down the line through reconciliation.

Assuming that the health care bill passes, it probably doesn't mean a ton for everything else. Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather that Coakley had won but a 59/41 split won't be significantly different than a 60/40 most of the time. Sticky legislation such as climate change bills weren't ever going to get the same wrangling that health care got or be lined up the same way. I suppose I won't have to listen to jamokes say "You have sixty votes! Why can't you grab the sun and the moon!" as though the spectrum from Boxer to Bayh to Liebermann to Durbin was some simple voting bloc. So that'll be nice.

If health care legislation fails to pass, it'll be a real pity in my opinion. We probably won't see another legitimate attempt to reform it for years if not decades. If it does pass, the 59/41 split will be a lot less important to me. One thing I hope does come out of it, and I've argued this for years, is reform of the procedural filibuster in the Senate. Probably a pipe dream but I get to have my fantasies same as everyone else.
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#123 Jan 19 2010 at 8:35 PM Rating: Good
Silver lining: Joe Lieberman is now much less relevant.
#124 Jan 19 2010 at 8:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unless he flips back to Dem.

Either way, that's a pretty thin silver lining. Smiley: laugh

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#125 Jan 19 2010 at 8:42 PM Rating: Default
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Nightsintdreams wrote:
CNN just projected Brown winning, 75% of precincts in, 53% to 46% at the moment.

So now what?


Now the Dems have to actually write Bills which satisfy the needs of all the people of the US. Not just the liberals. It's a tragedy, I know...
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#126 Jan 19 2010 at 8:43 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Unless he flips back to Dem.

Either way, that's a pretty thin silver lining. Smiley: laugh

Eh, it'll do. I don't think anyone expected Coakley to swoop down and become the bastion of the Democratic party or anything. I'm not sure her win would have done much for the state short of keep the tradition going.
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