We probably have a prop 8 threadFollow

Please, tell me you're joking.

Tastes, as in taste buds, change as you mature. Sexuality doesn't, although you are correct in saying that you learn more about your own sexuality as you mature.

It's not the same thing.

In some cases it does. But it's not an active "choice".

Edit: I agree with Anna, and wish to be more pleasing to Samira.

Ugly can go ginger himself.

Edited, Jan 13th 2010 2:13pm by Tarub

I'll admit I may be confused in regards to the scientific method when applied to discerning sexual orientation at birth. Explain it to me so I can cure my ignorance.

I missed this. Sexuality should (does) change depending on the quality of relations (and with whom, and how you feel about them, etc). Yes at the core of it, we are all animals in heat (not literally - I'm looking at you, furries) But to be able to know your partner will treat you the way you want to be treated, and have you both walk away for the better afterward, takes a lot of give and take (heh), communication, understanding, etc. Even purely physical sex has these elements unless one person is abusing the other, or another is uncomfortable but not communicating it. This is why sex is often confused with love. However, I equate sex to more like food, just a purely physical thing that satisfies. To have someone take the time and get to know what you like, will generate positive feelings (Even if it as simple as "hold the mayo"). However, making love is all about sex while also emotionally and mentally connected to who the person is in all (known) aspects of both their self and your time together. People really need to stop confusing the two, as there is nothing wrong with either, but both mean drastically different things to different people. Unless you are one of those types that never has sex without being in love, you prudes :p

As a small aside, I'd like to take this moment to laugh at the guy on the news I saw at the NJ gay marriage protests whose main campaign was "Gays will raise the teen sex, teen pregnancy, and teen abortion rate"





Edited, Jan 13th 2010 2:59pm by Tarub

If a ****** is so large as to have me fall into it, I doubt it'd be worthwhile :D


But in all seriousness, this is a sore topic for quite a few people here I'd say. I'm gay, and I am easily offended when people start to tell me that me being gay is me being confused, or that I chose to be this way, or that it's something wrong with me, or any other inane dribble that people come up with.

Basically, when people talk out their *** about something this important to me, I get pissed off.

In sixgauge's defense, I do agree that it is problematic when people speak about granting rights to homosexual and other ***** people because we're born that way and we can't help it--like it's an affliction and we deserve the mercy of society. It doesn't matter if we're "born that way" or if there is a gay gene or if there is a mix or whatever. Alot of this stuff doesn't even acknowledge the complexity of gender, let alone sexuality.

Or the black female publicly rejoicing in the rights she would have been denied in the past, right before she praised the defeat of the gay marriage bill.

And yes, there is enough evidence that it is both a choice (bisexuals?) and not a choice (like the people who commit suicide because they were ashamed to be gay, try asking them to "switch"). But in the end it's not relevant whatsoever to the matter at hand. Homosexuality has always existed, it's naturally occurring, and its not going anywhere.

Agreed. It just irks me to have the whole subject trivialized. "It's like changing your pants! No, your preferred condiments! No, your makeup!"

Or it's just as valid to say you always had the capacity and didn't know it until you more fully explored your inherent sexuality.

so basically it would be something you enjoyed, but didn't know you enjoyed until you did it.

That is to say that your capacity to enjoy the act came before the act itself.