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#27 Jan 21 2010 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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It at least forces them to have the slickest adds and catchphrases relevant to the discussion.

Right. Like yelling "Death Panels!" was slick and relevant. Smiley: dubious


It was at least "sorta" related to health care reform. Don't get me wrong, people who believed that **** were and are morons, but at least on direct issues voting they couldn't cry "Death Panels!" when deciding the correct judicial process for accused terrorist. Well, bad example there, but you get the drift.

When you vote "candidate" or "party" you inevitably end up voting against some issues that you'd rather be voting for. And I don't think that lack of granularity is at all useful in situations where you want any semblance of "non-partisanship" or collective agreement.
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#28 Jan 21 2010 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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Again, I'll note that turnout for local referendums is usually a record breaker at 15-20% or so of registered voters. People will make a giant fuss over some law in Washington with minimal impact on their daily lives (I'm speaking generally here, not HC reform) but can't be bothered to travel three blocks to cast a ballot in their own neighborhood on school bonds or fire district annexation or temporary property tax increases to add a new wing to a library.


Great. If they don't care, they don't vote.

Still, by making voting fast, easy and accessible, (which would be easy to do, it's not like the infrastructure isn't there or it is technically difficult, or economically nonviable to implement) that number could be brought up. It's simple economics, if the cost for them to get something they like is cheap enough they will generally speaking put up to, but generally not greater than, that amount of effort into it.
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#29 Jan 21 2010 at 12:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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It was at least "sorta" related to health care reform

Sure, and ads that disregard policy discussion in favor of ominous voice-overs and out of context newspaper headline clippings are "sorta" related to those issues as well. Which isn't to say that that's how I'd like these things decided.

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Still, by making voting fast, easy and accessible, (which would be easy to do, it's not like the infrastructure isn't there or it is technically difficult, or economically nonviable to implement) that number could be brought up.

People who are too lazy and can't be bothered to travel three blocks to vote on issues directly affecting them aren't people I really want to beg or coerce into voting on national issues of varying complexity.
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#30 Jan 21 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
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Sure, and ads that disregard policy discussion in favor of ominous voice-overs and out of context newspaper headline clippings are "sorta" related to those issues as well. Which isn't to say that that's how I'd like these things decided.


Typically people tricked by such shenanigans don't put forth much effort into voting. Not an exact science by any stretch, but there is correlation.
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#31 Jan 21 2010 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah... as little faith as I have in people in congress to do the right thing, I have far less in the American public in general.

No thanks.
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#32 Jan 21 2010 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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People who are too lazy and can't be bothered to travel three blocks to vote on issues directly affecting them aren't people I really want to beg or coerce into voting on national issues of varying complexity.


See above. Or below.

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Great. If they don't care, they don't vote.
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#33 Jan 21 2010 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm more disturbed about people who don't care but vote anyway because it's a pop-up window when they go to check their Hotmail account.
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#34 Jan 21 2010 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think they'll bother filling in the captcha.
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