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#52 Jan 26 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Good
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Of course if you care to watch Obama try and speak off the tele-prompter you find out what an actual blithering idiot he is.
I thought he did a good job in his interview with O'Reilley. It was pretty well spoken.

Edited, Jan 26th 2010 4:22pm by Xsarus
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#53REDACTED, Posted: Jan 26 2010 at 4:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Xarus,
#54 Jan 26 2010 at 4:23 PM Rating: Good
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false. What actually happens is that you don't know what to do when someone agrees with you and so you flog the inconsequential stupid issues, rather then ones that matter. The whole health care debate is an excellent example of this. Don't try to work with the system, just rant about death panels.
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#55REDACTED, Posted: Jan 26 2010 at 4:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Xarus,
#56 Jan 26 2010 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh so that's what it was. How f-ucking stupid of everyone. It turns out that Bush was a great speaker but that god damn "perception" we all had for 8+ years was a fantasy. Who are you going to believe? Gbaji the perception-meister or your lying ears and eyes?


I'll ask you the same question. Did you watch live speeches by Bush and form an opinion? Or just hear a bunch of people talking about how bad he was and form your opinion that way? Or, having been told that he was a bad speaker, did you then watch every speech he gave looking just for mistakes?

In the opposite direction, did you hear a bunch of people gushing about what a great speaker Obama is and therefor view him in that context?

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What I find fascinating is that there seems to be some horrible difference between a teleprompter and a piece of paper. All speeches are memorized? Gee, this guy feels more comfortable with words on glass vs words on paper. Oh snap, better launch the rightie crap barrage.


It's not about that. It's about how often one chooses to read prepared statements versus how often one speaks extemporaneously. Bush tended to prefer a more "straight talk" style. Obviously, big speeches were on teleprompters. No one's talking about that. But when Bush would show up for a smaller venue, like a town hall type event, or a meet and greet, he usually went sans-prompter. He might have some small prepared remarks, but then mostly just talk with/to the people there.

Obama seems to prefer the prepared talk bit. Maybe it's his teaching background coming out or something, but he tends to show up everywhere with a teleprompter, he rarely goes off script, and he rarely just "talks" with people. It's certainly a stylistic difference, but it's also perfectly fair to point out what while Bush provided more gaffes, he was also putting himself in a position to do so more often. We could dismiss Obama's preference for prepared statements with minimal off-script chatter as just a personal preference, except that he has shown that when off script he seems to make simple mistakes even more often than Bush did.


With Bush is was more about mangling words, or using colloquialisms which some might find "hickish". But with Obama it's (perhaps unfortunately for him) something else. He tends to make mistakes with common words which most "ordinary" people should know. It's "unfortunate" because his gaffes play into the stereotypical "liberal elite" label, where a politician is so removed from "real people" that he can't remember the difference between say an inhaler and a breathalizer. I've watched Obama sit and try to work his way around words to describe something which most people just immediately know is <whatever>. He'll use 10 dollar words when 1 dollar words would do, and often actually uses terms which aren't really the most accurate.


So yeah. It's relevant to point out that he avoids this.
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#57 Jan 26 2010 at 4:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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He'll use 10 dollar words when 1 dollar words would do, and often actually uses terms which aren't really the most accurate.
That's an interesting criticism for you to make.
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#58 Jan 26 2010 at 5:44 PM Rating: Good
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Speaking well =/= teleprompters.
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Did you watch live speeches by Bush and form an opinion? Or just hear a bunch of people talking about how bad he was and form your opinion that way? Or, having been told that he was a bad speaker, did you then watch every speech he gave looking just for mistakes?


Do you ever think before you type or does it all just fall out onto the keyboard? What a stupid question you pose. Shoot, you're right. I've been letting people listen to Bush for me all these years and then make my opinion. You really got me there.

Darn, I retract my criticism. It is obvious that if I had heard his mollifying siren songs live I would have been a W convert. It must have been that liberal media that changed his words, pronunciations, ramblings, and the like. How foolish of me.

I think the throwing up in my mouth every time I heard the man utter his inane gutter speak was a good indication of his terribleness. Setting aside politics, I simply cringe with every word that spews from his maw.

What I can say is I have heard Obama speak live (without a teleprompter) long before he was even running for president and I was very sure at that point that he would be president at some point.
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