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#1 Feb 10 2010 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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Dysregulation Disorder is, supposedly, just a new designation and reclassification by the American Psychiatric Association of bipolar disorder. A difference between the two disorders being the time frame. Dysregulation disorder, unlike bipolar, disorder is not a lifelong disease - you grow out of it.

It seems as simple as taking the one disorder, and classifying it based on the age of the individual affected. If you're still in some sort of growing mode, you suffer from dysregulation, if you're a full-grown adult you suffer from bipolar. I suppose then, if you were still symptomatic and grown to an adult you would be then be re-diagnosed.

Some mind-docs are concerned of the over-diagnosis of bipolar (a sentiment, btw, that is shared by some around here). And particularly in the diagnosis of young people.

Complicating and confounding things, as always, is the health insurance issue. Most insurers won't cover any sort of treatment for a disorder whose cause may be environmental in nature. Bipolar disorder is recognized as being a medical condition.

Anyways, I'm curious what Anna, Smash and others think about dysregulation disorder. Is it a viable diagnosis? Will it catch on? Will it be covered by insurers?
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#2 Feb 10 2010 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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It's just another name for something new to market pharmaceuticals.

And as far as kids go, they're getting so much more medicated everyday. And that's such a terrible tight-rope. My neice/goddaughter is 10 and on a complicated mix of uppers and downers to balance her to a tolerable level for my sociopathic aunt, who is a nurse. It doesn't work.

When my sister was a teenager, my dad tried to have her put on Prozac. She managed to take her pills about 70% of the time. That ****** her up more than if they hadn't tried to throw chemicals in her system, though I do believe my sister/family would have benefited (at that age, mid-teens) from some sort of mood regulation on her part.

I think that kids, in particular, as so emotionally undeveloped and impressionable yet that medication is rarely the answer for mood disorders. As long as this is used for productive (non-medicated) therapy in children, I see no problem in it. But, if it's used as just another excuse to start young 'mericans off on the pharm train earlier and earlier, it will be abused. It'll go both ways.
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And as far as kids go, they're getting so much more medicated everyday. And that's such a terrible tight-rope. My neice/goddaughter is 10 and on a complicated mix of uppers and downers to balance her to a tolerable level for my sociopathic aunt, who is a nurse. It doesn't work.

When my sister was a teenager, my dad tried to have her put on Prozac. She managed to take her pills about 70% of the time. That @#%^ed her up more than if they hadn't tried to throw chemicals in her system, though I do believe my sister/family would have benefited (at that age, mid-teens) from some sort of mood regulation on her part.

I think that kids, in particular, as so emotionally undeveloped and impressionable yet that medication is rarely the answer for mood disorders. As long as this is used for productive (non-medicated) therapy in children, I see no problem in it. But, if it's used as just another excuse to start young 'mericans off on the pharm train earlier and earlier, it will be abused. It'll go both ways.


It seems that it's easier to put your kids on drugs than deal with their (perfectly natural) emotions. I can't say that I can blame the pharmaceutical companies for providing something that their customers are asking for. It's up to the parents to stop demanding this stuff and once it isn't profitable, they'll stop making it.
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#4 Feb 10 2010 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
It all boils down to one thing - people are nuts and psycho-pharmacology is a good thing, especially when self medicating. Uppers for depression, ludes for mania.
#5 Feb 10 2010 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
Alcohol and weed are a million times better when self-medicating. Legal drugs are full of nasty stuff.
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Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:
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And as far as kids go, they're getting so much more medicated everyday. And that's such a terrible tight-rope. My neice/goddaughter is 10 and on a complicated mix of uppers and downers to balance her to a tolerable level for my sociopathic aunt, who is a nurse. It doesn't work.

When my sister was a teenager, my dad tried to have her put on Prozac. She managed to take her pills about 70% of the time. That @#%^ed her up more than if they hadn't tried to throw chemicals in her system, though I do believe my sister/family would have benefited (at that age, mid-teens) from some sort of mood regulation on her part.

I think that kids, in particular, as so emotionally undeveloped and impressionable yet that medication is rarely the answer for mood disorders. As long as this is used for productive (non-medicated) therapy in children, I see no problem in it. But, if it's used as just another excuse to start young 'mericans off on the pharm train earlier and earlier, it will be abused. It'll go both ways.


It seems that it's easier to put your kids on drugs than deal with their (perfectly natural) emotions. I can't say that I can blame the pharmaceutical companies for providing something that their customers are asking for. It's up to the parents to stop demanding this stuff and once it isn't profitable, they'll stop making it.
You really think parents demand drugs for their kids simply to make home life easier?

I think it stems more from some fear of not providing their kid with everything possible to help them succeed.
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You really think parents demand drugs for their kids simply to make home life easier?

I think it stems more from some fear of not providing their kid with everything possible to help them succeed.
I think we could split that one somewhere near the middle.
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#8 Feb 10 2010 at 11:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
You really think parents demand drugs for their kids simply to make home life easier?

I think it stems more from some fear of not providing their kid with everything possible to help them succeed.


Maybe so, but regardless of the motivation, the parents are the gatekeepers and they're the ones who need to control it. It's hard for me to blame a pharmaceutical company for giving consumers something that they keep buying.
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I think it's a crock of **** honestly. What they really need to do is look at more than behavior! Myself for example, I turn into a real ***** when I eat eggs, it doesn't take anything to set me off. It's an allergy and since I have learned what certain foods do to me, I try to stay away from them. My daughter has inherited this allergy. She can eat eggs at her daddy's on Sun, I have trouble with her until wed. She's like a walking PMS poster and she's only 9.

Other foods can make me stay awake for hours on end, like caffiene does to some people, or soy for example, makes me terribly sleepy, nearly narcoleptic at times.

What is really helping me now is that the hubby2B has nearly the same allergies and issues with foods, smells, etc. Makes life a lot easier having someone who actually understands that aerosol "Axe" sets off an asthma attack, some women's perfume or chocolate can cause a migraine, or eating dairy can cause a reaction so badly skin wise, I can't concentrate on anything but scratching. Also, some drugs haveopposite reactions in me that they are supposed to. Name brand benadryl hypers me up, generic calms me down, go figure!

It's like some say ADD is also a form of bipolarism. There are so many overlapping symptoms etc, really is there any one diagnosis?

I totally agree with Guenny, it's to sell more drugs!!!

When my son was younger, he had a really hard time, I had him on Ritalin. His grades went up, his behavior improved and he learned, slowly, how to control himself when not medicated. (His dad insists that he was lethargic and I was a bad mother for drugging him up, but this is the same man who didn't see his son for a 3 year span, he knows NOTHING) My son is 18, hasn't taken meds for a long time and is quite focused, more so than either of his parents. I do believe some people can learn to overcome their ADD/ADHD.

Others, like my hubby2B cannot. He will have to take meds for the rest of his life. His body literally jerks some times, it's like all his nerves are being shocked at once. He can't be still to save his life! I also have a friend who's daughter will as well. She's so bad (bad is not a good word here, sorry) I can only be around her for about an hour if she's unmedicated. I truly cannot handle that over stimulation, I want to scream! When MrDF says I am ADD, I want to kick him in the head since I can't handle being around those who truly are.

I have two girlfriends who are bipolar, and O M G, I truly have to limit my time with them as well if they are unmedicated. I also found that both of them are alcoholics, which is bad news for those who take bipolar meds. I am not sure if this is a correlation, but perhaps they use it to self medicate. My dad is ADD and at one time found other ways to medicate that we won't discuss here. I am glad he had discovered he has food allergies as well (ROFLMAO, well duh daddy) and has taken steps to change his lifestyle.
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She can eat eggs at her daddy's on Sun, I have trouble with her until wed.
Have you considered sending her to his place having already eaten eggs, so maybe he'll stop feeding her eggs?
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#11 Feb 10 2010 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:
Guenny wrote:
And as far as kids go, they're getting so much more medicated everyday. And that's such a terrible tight-rope. My neice/goddaughter is 10 and on a complicated mix of uppers and downers to balance her to a tolerable level for my sociopathic aunt, who is a nurse. It doesn't work.

When my sister was a teenager, my dad tried to have her put on Prozac. She managed to take her pills about 70% of the time. That @#%^ed her up more than if they hadn't tried to throw chemicals in her system, though I do believe my sister/family would have benefited (at that age, mid-teens) from some sort of mood regulation on her part.

I think that kids, in particular, as so emotionally undeveloped and impressionable yet that medication is rarely the answer for mood disorders. As long as this is used for productive (non-medicated) therapy in children, I see no problem in it. But, if it's used as just another excuse to start young 'mericans off on the pharm train earlier and earlier, it will be abused. It'll go both ways.


It seems that it's easier to put your kids on drugs than deal with their (perfectly natural) emotions. I can't say that I can blame the pharmaceutical companies for providing something that their customers are asking for. It's up to the parents to stop demanding this stuff and once it isn't profitable, they'll stop making it.


It's the chicken or the egg, here. I think in this instance, though, Adam, that a lot of it is the pharm companies saying "We has new diagnosis! And look, we has new meds specifically for this diagnosis!" and people jump on board. It's not hard for easily impressionable people to hear a list of symptoms and point fingers, either at themselves or their children.

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Alcohol and weed are a million times better when self-medicating. Legal drugs are full of nasty stuff.


Weed is my #1, but I ain't gonna lie, vicodin and valium are also two of my lovers. <3 I have a script for the painkillers for a short laundry list of reasons, and would like a script for the vals because they don't have a wall like weed does. You pop another and another and you get calmer and calmer. Whee!
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So DF, you're allergic to eggs but not chicken, eh?
#13 Feb 10 2010 at 11:28 AM Rating: Good
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My god, people take a lot of pills.
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Guenny wrote:
It's the chicken or the egg, here. I think in this instance, though, Adam, that a lot of it is the pharm companies saying "We has new diagnosis! And look, we has new meds specifically for this diagnosis!" and people jump on board. It's not hard for easily impressionable people to hear a list of symptoms and point fingers, either at themselves or their children.


It's unfortunate that these people exist. Of course, if they didn't jump on board then the pharm companies would stop this practice... it's a vicious cycle to say the least.

That said, I do think that it should be 100% illegal to advertise prescription drugs in the mainstream media (television, radio and non-trade magazines).
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Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:
Guenny wrote:
It's the chicken or the egg, here. I think in this instance, though, Adam, that a lot of it is the pharm companies saying "We has new diagnosis! And look, we has new meds specifically for this diagnosis!" and people jump on board. It's not hard for easily impressionable people to hear a list of symptoms and point fingers, either at themselves or their children.


It's unfortunate that these people exist. Of course, if they didn't jump on board then the pharm companies would stop this practice... it's a vicious cycle to say the least.

That said, I do think that it should be 100% illegal to advertise prescription drugs in the mainstream media (television, radio and non-trade magazines).


Hmm, 100% illegal might not be good. How else would men have learned that a four-hour pill induced ***** was cause for concern?
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Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:


That said, I do think that it should be 100% illegal to advertise prescription drugs in the mainstream media (television, radio and non-trade magazines).
I find the ads for drugs with their mile-long list of side effects, which almost always include death, to be quite the deterrent.
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Elinda wrote:
Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:


That said, I do think that it should be 100% illegal to advertise prescription drugs in the mainstream media (television, radio and non-trade magazines).
I find the ads for drugs with their mile-long list of side effects, which almost always include death, to be quite the deterrent.
I always find it quite amusing when one of the symptoms that requires you to take a pill, shows up on that list.
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:
That said, I do think that it should be 100% illegal to advertise prescription drugs in the mainstream media (television, radio and non-trade magazines).
I find the ads for drugs with their mile-long list of side effects, which almost always include death, to be quite the deterrent.
I always find it quite amusing when one of the symptoms that requires you to take a pill, shows up on that list.


Like the antibiotic for travelers diarrhea having the potential to cause diarrhea?

True story.
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Guenny wrote:
So DF, you're allergic to eggs but not chicken, eh?


Yes, and beef, pork and turkey
anything white, i.e. rice, flour, potatoes (also means no vodka), sugar eggs
anything good i.e. peanuts, wheat, yeah gluten allergy sucks too
anything yummy, i.e. chocolate, fruit, corn (yeah no whiskey either)
yeah barley, yeast, brewer's yeart, malt and hops, go figure.
honestly can't have any alcohol without taking steps to calm the reaction
Other: latex, codeine, penicillin, sulfa drugs, hydrocodone,

too many others to list, my life sucks, thanks! ;)
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Guenny wrote:
So DF, you're allergic to eggs but not chicken, eh?


Yes, and beef, pork and turkey
anything white, i.e. rice, flour, potatoes (also means no vodka), sugar eggs
anything good i.e. peanuts, wheat, yeah gluten allergy sucks too
anything yummy, i.e. chocolate, fruit, corn (yeah no whiskey either)
yeah barley, yeast, brewer's yeart, malt and hops, go figure.
honestly can't have any alcohol without taking steps to calm the reaction
Other: latex, codeine, penicillin, sulfa drugs, hydrocodone,

too many others to list, my life sucks, thanks! ;)


Are you sure you're not just a hypochondriac?
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Iamadam the Prohpet wrote:
Mistress Darqflame wrote:
Guenny wrote:
So DF, you're allergic to eggs but not chicken, eh?


Yes, and beef, pork and turkey
anything white, i.e. rice, flour, potatoes (also means no vodka), sugar eggs
anything good i.e. peanuts, wheat, yeah gluten allergy sucks too
anything yummy, i.e. chocolate, fruit, corn (yeah no whiskey either)
yeah barley, yeast, brewer's yeart, malt and hops, go figure.
honestly can't have any alcohol without taking steps to calm the reaction
Other: latex, codeine, penicillin, sulfa drugs, hydrocodone,

too many others to list, my life sucks, thanks! ;)


Are you sure you're not just a hypochondriac?


Are you sure you're not just an *******? I've been tested, thanks.
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Elinda wrote:
My god, people take a lot of pills.


You have no idea.

When I worked in a medical office pharmacists would call us for refills. A couple of them were really good about telling us that a patient was getting the same script from more than one doctor. It goes on all the time.

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[I'm allergic to:]
anything white,
anything yummy,
latex

So, since oral & Caucasians are out of the question, and condoms cause cooter itch, lotsa light brown babies at your place? ;)

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Even if everything is overdiagnosed now, I would never go back to the days where mental illness meant being institutionalized for the rest of your days. Used properly, drugs are a ******* miracle.
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Anyways, I'm curious what Anna, Smash and others think about dysregulation disorder. Is it a viable diagnosis? Will it catch on? Will it be covered by insurers?


Um..well, I suppose it's a bit more accurate to tease out people who are emotionally dysregulated from those who actually experience Bipolar disorder (i.e. who have manic episodes) rather than constantly have them diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder, Type II. Among kids, like DQ pointed out, often ADHD is misdiagnosed as Bipolar D/O--some people think it's a part of a continuum and that's where some of this dysregulation stuff is coming from too.I've mostly heard people discuss about ways of looking at a continuum of dysregulation, encompassing things like Adhd, Bipolar D/O and Borderline Personality Disorder, all that have mood instability as a major component.
Oh and I am surprised how little people use cyclothymia as a categorization b/c that seems very similar to dysregulation d/o.

I'm not sure if it is to sell more drugs as much as it is to get more people covered by health insurance.

My concern is that alot of people who are dysregulated and diagnosed as Bipolar are actually dealing with the temporary or persistent effects of trauma-- I've seen so many people with that diagnoses who have a major history of being abused, which has been ignored by psychiatrist who are billed at such a high rate, that they only can see their clients for 15 or 20 minutes a month anyway.

I'll say in my own experience, I've been diagnosed as Type II Bipolar Disorder, Mixed Episode, which was frustrating b/c it was fairly obvious that I was dealing with complex trauma from being abused as a child but it's not surprising. But alot of people aren't very skillful at assessment.




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