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#27 Feb 10 2010 at 1:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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So, since oral & Caucasians are out of the question, and condoms cause cooter itch, lotsa light brown babies at your place? ;)

EDIT: In light of my recent groveling, let me just say that if anyone with the power to ban me is in any way offended by this post I fall to my knees in abject apology for offending delicate sensibilities and would sooner scratch my eyes out with dull implements than make another post referring to bi-racial offspring as anything other than delights.

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I prefer Indians actually, I found it really funny when I discovered the future MrDF is one as well as both brat's daddy's.

And no, momma can cook, but her oven has been removed from her kitchen. No more buns in this oven baby! And that is a good thing considering I got preggers twice on the pill and me and the MR **** like rabbits.
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Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:

I'm not sure if it is to sell more drugs as much as it is to get more people covered by health insurance.

From the story I heard, it sounded like the new designation was an attempt to remove some of the stigma attached with being 'labeled' as bipolar. Especially for kids and young people that may not be fully on the bipolar end of that continuum.

I'll see if I can find a transcript of the story.

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#29 Feb 10 2010 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:

I'm not sure if it is to sell more drugs as much as it is to get more people covered by health insurance.

From the story I heard, it sounded like the new designation was an attempt to remove some of the stigma attached with being 'labeled' as bipolar. Especially for kids and young people that may not be fully on the bipolar end of that continuum.

I'll see if I can find a transcript of the story.


Well, I think Bipolar D/O is definitely overused in children and inaccurate. People I know were talking about Childhood Bipolar D/O as being different and not developing into Adult Bipolar D?O like how Diabetes I and II are different but have the same name so it makes sense.

I think about my aunt, who has had intense dysregulation her whole life that got in the way of her functioning in so many parts of her life, being helped by Prozac enormously. She's been helped by a dysregulation diagnosis and with medication.
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#30 Feb 10 2010 at 1:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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This whole chicken and egg discussion got me craving balut.
#31 Feb 10 2010 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thumbelyna Quick Hands wrote:
This whole chicken and egg discussion got me craving balut.


Balut discussions give me traumatic flashbacks.Smiley: frown
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#32 Feb 10 2010 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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So has he, and yes he is.


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#33 Feb 10 2010 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:
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This whole chicken and egg discussion got me craving balut.


Balut discussions give me traumatic flashbacks.Smiley: frown
I secretly really like them pickled eggs that sit in glass jars on the counters of the corner gas station out here.

Not sure if I could eat balut.
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#34 Feb 10 2010 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:
Thumbelyna Quick Hands wrote:
This whole chicken and egg discussion got me craving balut.


Balut discussions give me traumatic flashbacks.Smiley: frown
I secretly really like them pickled eggs that sit in glass jars on the counters of the corner gas station out here.

Not sure if I could eat balut.


Oh we used to have those pickled eggs in our store growing up. Mmmmm...I bet they are old though.
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#35 Feb 10 2010 at 3:20 PM Rating: Good
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Go Go Overdiagnosis and medicalisation of "life" Smiley: rolleyes

I work on the basis that 99% of illness is self-limiting - the body can heal most things - just a case of managing symptoms/pain until that happens.

The 1% is gonna rip your spark out, so play the odds.

Fact is that the vast majority of medication (by volume & value) is aimed at things that'll go away in time.

You can call it Dysregulation, Mania, Bipolarism or Enrico Bum-Fondler if you like. Most of us just manage it through common sense and avoid meddling doctors at all costs.

(I'm minded of Smash's astute redefinition of "low end autism" as "shy")
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#36 Feb 10 2010 at 3:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Most of us just manage it through common sense and avoid meddling doctors at all costs.


I dunno. I will say as a teenager that if I had treatment for PTSD, including medication that may have mellowed me out a bit, it could have mitigated years of emotional upheaval. I'm not the only one from my town that has expressed the same thing but you didn't have anything in the way of mental health treatment in Northern Maine in the 70s and 80s.

I guess I'm always reluctant to accept simplistic dismissals as much as blanket remedies.

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#37 Feb 10 2010 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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Most of us just manage it through common sense and avoid meddling doctors at all costs.


I've tried that before, it doesn't work. Some people actually do have bi-polar or ADHD, regardless of how many may or may not be misdiagnosed.
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Back in my day ADD was called "rambunctious". It was cured by a completely organic treatment called "go outside and play".
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Back in my day ADD was called "rambunctious". It was cured by a completely organic treatment called "go outside and play".


That's all fine and dandy, except you can't "go outside and play" when you're in the middle of class or in the middle of a midterm/final. Smiley: lol
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#40 Feb 10 2010 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Most of us just manage it through common sense and avoid meddling doctors at all costs.


I've tried that before, it doesn't work. Some people actually do have bi-polar or ADHD, regardless of how many may or may not be misdiagnosed.
You're also suffering from stupidity.

I didn't state or imply that people don't suffer from bipolar disorder, or that they never need professional intervention.


You tried something which didn't work - it only means you tried the wrong thing. We all do. Most of us persevere and find (through trial and error) how to manage it without rampant self-medication. Others, on the other hand, try something, and at the first failure, abdicate their condition to money-grabbing pharmaceuticals and their lackeys.

You may have a severe condition that requires medical intervention. On the face of things, it just sounds to me like you're a whiney, needy ****.
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Deadgye wrote:
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Back in my day ADD was called "rambunctious". It was cured by a completely organic treatment called "go outside and play".


That's all fine and dandy, except you can't "go outside and play" when you're in the middle of class or in the middle of a midterm/final. Smiley: lol


I also don't think that the good old days were quite as ideal as some people make them out to be.
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#42 Feb 10 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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You tried something which didn't work - it only means you tried the wrong thing. We all do. Most of us persevere and find (through trial and error) how to manage it without rampant self-medication. Others, on the other hand, try something, and at the first failure, abdicate their condition to money-grabbing pharmaceuticals and their lackeys.


He did find something that worked. It happened to be medication. Why should he stop using something that is beneficial?
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Annabella of Future Fabulous! wrote:
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You tried something which didn't work - it only means you tried the wrong thing. We all do. Most of us persevere and find (through trial and error) how to manage it without rampant self-medication. Others, on the other hand, try something, and at the first failure, abdicate their condition to money-grabbing pharmaceuticals and their lackeys.


He did find something that worked. It happened to be medication. Why should he stop using something that is beneficial?
Whoopty-doo.

If it works for him, and there are no side-effects, or risk of dependency, it's all dandy.

I just hate to see so many individuals brain-washed into thinking that a prescription is anything other than the last resort.
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#44 Feb 10 2010 at 3:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I just hate to see so many individuals brain-washed into thinking that a prescription is anything other than the last resort.


A big part of the problem here is that most doctors are horrified of the prospect of suggesting alternative medicine / home remedies because of all the malpractice lawsuits. As a result, they rarely explore any non-prescription options first. There may be some flexibility when it comes to mental health issues, but not much, I imagine. I know my sister was on 4 or 5 different drugs for various behavior related diagnoses thanks to my mother and her "doctors" before she moved in with me. She's now on only her seizure medicine, and we've tried taking her off that but she couldn't cope.

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#45 Feb 10 2010 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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I just hate to see so many individuals brain-washed into thinking that a prescription is anything other than the last resort.


A big part of the problem here is that most doctors are horrified of the prospect of suggesting alternative medicine / home remedies because of all the malpractice lawsuits. As a result, they rarely explore any non-prescription options first.
I suspect the motivation also involves inducements from a pharmaceutical-sponsored system and a highly effective PR campaign by big pharma to create an expectation that a consultation needs to end with a prescription or you didn't get value for money.

And I wasn't referring to 'alternative therapies' - I was talking about talking therapies, peer support and other proven interventions that take more time and consideration than a quick scribble on a scrip pad.
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I know my sister was on 4 or 5 different drugs for various behavior related diagnoses thanks to my mother and her "doctors" before she moved in with me. She's now on only her seizure medicine, and we've tried taking her off that but she couldn't cope.
What I'm saying.

For most sufferers, a caring family is worth more than any medical intervention. Sure, not everyone has that luxury, and some of us have dependents to 'be strong for'. All i'm saying is that a great number of sufferers are thrown straught into (sometimes dangerous) medication without exploring the kind of social support and self-management options that take a great deal more thought and exploration.
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Nobby wrote:
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I know my sister was on 4 or 5 different drugs for various behavior related diagnoses thanks to my mother and her "doctors" before she moved in with me. She's now on only her seizure medicine, and we've tried taking her off that but she couldn't cope.
What I'm saying.

For most sufferers, a caring family is worth more than any medical intervention. Sure, not everyone has that luxury, and some of us have dependents to 'be strong for'. All i'm saying is that a great number of sufferers are thrown straught into (sometimes dangerous) medication without exploring the kind of social support and self-management options that take a great deal more thought and exploration.


I'll say easily though, Nobby, until I was on medication, I was too hyperaroused to actually engage in therapy. Using medication wasn't a lifelong thing but I'm glad it wasn't the last resort. I'll say in my family people have felt incredibly guilty and resisted medication and felt like failures until they realized that it actually worked for them and then they got much better. Not just my family, but my friends too. It made a big difference in their quality of life. They just functioned better--and engaged better in treatment and with friends and some of them eventually stopped taking it.

I don't think it's a necessity for everyone and I think kids are overmedicated but I also think you are painting this picture that isn't everyone's experience.

Edited, Feb 10th 2010 5:15pm by Annabella
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l say easily though, Nobby, until I was on medication, I was too hyperaroused to actually engage in therapy


Hyperaroused, you say? Is this term as erotic as advertised?
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l say easily though, Nobby, until I was on medication, I was too hyperaroused to actually engage in therapy


Hyperaroused, you say? Is this term as erotic as advertised?


At times, yes.
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l say easily though, Nobby, until I was on medication, I was too hyperaroused to actually engage in therapy


Hyperaroused, you say? Is this term as erotic as advertised?


It gave her a 4 hour erection.
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