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#27 Feb 18 2010 at 4:21 PM Rating: Good
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And as for the "Would you condemn the tea party people," this is just way too different. The Boston Tea Party didn't endanger any lives. This guy could've killed a lot of people.


People didn't die during the Boston Tea Party, but plenty died in events proceeding it.

He also appears to believe he was being taxed without legitimate representation.
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#28 Feb 18 2010 at 4:26 PM Rating: Good
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He also appears to believe he was being taxed without legitimate representation.


I can understand that one. I've felt under-represented before, quite often.
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#29 Feb 18 2010 at 4:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Timelordwho wrote:
He also appears to believe he was being taxed without legitimate representation.


I'd have more sympathy for that position if he'd provided more than a blanket condemnation of all politicians and government entities.

I think it's fair to say he was way beyond any rational belief system and well into paranoia.

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#31 Feb 18 2010 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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He also appears to believe he was being taxed without legitimate representation.


I'd have more sympathy for that position if he'd provided more than a blanket condemnation of all politicians and government entities.

I think it's fair to say he was way beyond any rational belief system and well into paranoia.



Oh sure, it's obvious he was pretty frustrated, and couldn't process things rationally.
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#32REDACTED, Posted: Feb 18 2010 at 4:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Timey,
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it's obvious he was pretty frustrated, and couldn't process things rationally.


Or he was frustrated and willing to sacrifice himself so that others might benefit from his sacrifice. Not everyone who kills themselves is irrational.


I heard exactly the same sentiment expressed by a different person who flew a plane into a building.
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#34 Feb 18 2010 at 4:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Timelordwho wrote:
He also appears to believe he was being taxed without legitimate representation.


Al Quaeda's main beef with the US government is the fact that US troops are on Muslim Holy Land and the leadership of that country is not representing their beliefs.


He's not acting en masse with the other survivalists but given that Oklahoma City was another major terrorist act (among a handful large scale ones), I'd say we should start profiling people like Varus, who fits the profile of a terrorist and is an admitted terrorist sympathizer.
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#35REDACTED, Posted: Feb 18 2010 at 4:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Timey,
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Or he was frustrated and willing to sacrifice innocent people as well as himself so that others might benefit from his sacrifice of innocent people as well as himself. Not everyone who kills themselves is irrational.


Clue: The bold bits are the important part.
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#39 Feb 18 2010 at 4:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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If that's your definition of rational, so are serial rapists.
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#40 Feb 18 2010 at 4:51 PM Rating: Good
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Bamir wrote:

Clue: The bold bits are the important part.
Who the fUck are all these new people?

Resist change, people. Resist change!
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If a criminal surrounds themselves with children while shooting innocent passers-by do you not attempt to take out the criminal for fear of harming the children he's using as a shield?

You're a publicly educated nitwit so I don't expect you understand where i'm going with this; and I'm not getting paid to educate trailer trash like yourself.


I'm not entirely convinced you know where you're going with this...
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#42REDACTED, Posted: Feb 18 2010 at 4:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Timey,
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I'm not entirely convinced you know where you're going with this...


lmao...I'm surprised you didn't say;

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I'm convinced you don't know where you're going with this


You're slacking.



Well, I figure the thoughts make sense to you, even if they're completely unconnected to the intelligent mind.
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A terrorist attacks people in, around, or associated with the thing they are pissed at, on the theory that if they scare all the citizens, friends, family, or whatever, those people will then turn and pressure the thing they really dislike to change. What makes it "terrorism" is that it could strike anyone anywhere.


So according to this definition and his suicide note he is clearly a terrorist.



Considering there are reportedly IRS offices in the building he flew into, no, even if he missed his intended target. There was clear intent to directly attack the agency he was angry with. He's still a dumbass, though.



Bolding the important parts that make this terrorism by this definition.


By "in, around, or associated with the thing", I specifically meant "not the thing itself". I'll admit to clumsy language there, but I was trying to cover ranges of things from governments to specific companies or agencies. So being a citizen of a country makes you a valid target for terrorism. You are "in" the country, and are "associated" with it, but you aren't part of the government itself, yet are still a target.

If he had targeted taxpayers, or just random citizens on the street, with the specific goal of using their fear of a random attack to pressure them into forcing the IRS to change its policies, then he would be a terrorist. But he didn't do that. He targeted the IRS pretty directly...
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Someone should photoshop a turban and Bin Laden beard onto that picture of varrus.
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Lord Nobby wrote:
Bamir wrote:

Clue: The bold bits are the important part.
Who the fUck are all these new people?

Resist change, people. Resist change!


Some new people might not be a bad addition. It grows a bit stale hear without them.
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If he had targeted taxpayers, or just random citizens on the street, with the specific goal of using their fear of a random attack to pressure them into forcing the IRS to change its policies, then he would be a terrorist. But he didn't do that. He targeted the IRS pretty directly...


So if on 9/11, they had succeeded in crashing their plane into the white house, that wouldn't be an act of terror b/c it wasn't random. Or for that matter, the Twin Towers.
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yossarian wrote:
Lord Nobby wrote:
Bamir wrote:

Clue: The bold bits are the important part.
Who the fUck are all these new people?

Resist change, people. Resist change!


Some new people might not be a bad addition. It grows a bit stale hear without them.


Don't mind Grandpa. 'E needs 'is prunes, the old dear.

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You're a publicly educated nitwit so I don't expect you understand where i'm going with this; and I'm not getting paid to educate trailer trash like yourself.


You're right that I was educated at a public school. Not quite in the way you mean though.
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By "in, around, or associated with the thing", I specifically meant "not the thing itself". I'll admit to clumsy language there, but I was trying to cover ranges of things from governments to specific companies or agencies. So being a citizen of a country makes you a valid target for terrorism. You are "in" the country, and are "associated" with it, but you aren't part of the government itself, yet are still a target.

If he had targeted taxpayers, or just random citizens on the street, with the specific goal of using their fear of a random attack to pressure them into forcing the IRS to change its policies, then he would be a terrorist. But he didn't do that. He targeted the IRS pretty directly...


Well, first, if I were targetting the IRS, again, I wouldn't think Austin Texas. I wouldn't think Nasvhille, TN (since I live in Tennessee) either.

Second, by that definition, the 9/11 plane headed for the White House and the one that hit the Pentagon wasn't terrorism, either.



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