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#27 Mar 20 2010 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
It tends to be somewhat colder and rainy up here, will Bell peppers do well? I don't remember us ever growing any when I was a kid.


My old man set up a mini-greenhouse for this when I was a kid, and we lived in Montana. He used a few old windows, built a base out of 1x4's. Made the windows angled sort of like a vaulted ceiling. Inside he planted various peppers including jalapenos, bell peppers, etc. Seemed to work pretty well, though if you're not carpentry inclined it may be more work than you are ready for.
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#28 Mar 20 2010 at 11:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Having a woman in the house ...


Yeah I'm working on that too.
Yeah, fuck this garden shit. I need details.


Also: DON'T GROW SPAGHETTI SQUASH.


No chance of spaghetti squash being grown, mostly on account of my disdain for all things squash and zuchini. I will be growing walla walla sweet onions and elephant garlic though too. forgot about them for a while.

Not much to tell yet on the other front. I've been working out some to get in better shape, and I've signed up for several local singles thingies. Probably going to try the online dating thing too. I've found the whole "me vs. the world" by myself bit is kinda lonely after a while. So yeah. That.
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#29 Mar 20 2010 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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An effective slug killer: bury a glass jar top flush with soil level and a bit of beer in the bottom. Set at edge of garden, naturaly.


Yes! I'd forgotten this one. Slugs and snails are suckers for beer.

Emptying it out is gross, though.


Not nearly as much fun as shaking salt on the little buggers, but less laboUr intensive. Smiley: nod


Just do what I do and salt the earth. It's the only way to be sure.
#30 Mar 20 2010 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Not much to tell yet on the other front. I've been working out some to get in better shape, and I've signed up for several local singles thingies. Probably going to try the online dating thing too. I've found the whole "me vs. the world" by myself bit is kinda lonely after a while. So yeah. That.
I'm pulling for you, dude. Just stay out of gaming forums. Smiley: wink
#31 Mar 20 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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It tends to be somewhat colder and rainy up here, will Bell peppers do well? I don't remember us ever growing any when I was a kid.

My old man set up a mini-greenhouse for this when I was a kid, and we lived in Montana. He used a few old windows, built a base out of 1x4's. Made the windows angled sort of like a vaulted ceiling. Inside he planted various peppers including jalapenos, bell peppers, etc. Seemed to work pretty well, though if you're not carpentry inclined it may be more work than you are ready for.

Kao seems to be carpentry-inclined, unless he's hiring local Mexicans to do all the work he talks about.

That greenhouse idea is intriguing. I've thought about what it would take to create mass greenhouses across large swathes of the more barren areas of the northern states (Dakotas and Montana) to grow food year round. It could also at the same time be used to create green power.
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I'm pulling for you, dude. Just stay out of gaming forums. Smiley: wink

Amen. Them chicks be batshit crazy!
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#33 Mar 20 2010 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm pulling for you, dude. Just stay out of gaming forums. Smiley: wink

Amen. Them chicks be batshit crazy!

Been there, done that, can confirm.

Ok, so it was a gaming IRC channel, but close enough.
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#34 Mar 20 2010 at 3:09 PM Rating: Good
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Don't plant in rows. Divide the garden into 1 ft squares and then depending on how much space each plant, divide each sq. into smaller squares. Sq. Foot Gardening Rules! Instead of one long bed, you make 4'x4'x6" or smaller, boxes that can be moved about if you want to. Put ground cover underneath to prevent weeds. Since it doesn't have soil and compost should have no weed seeds in it, you shouldn't have to do a lot of weeding. I love gardening, but hate trying to stay ahead of the weeds.

While Ari's recipe for soil less gardening sounds good, there is a faster way to do much the same. It's called Mel's Mix and is made up of equal parts peat moss, compost (need to start with several different sources until you get your own compost bed going.) and Vermiculite.

Then each time you plant something add some more compost and it will never need additional fertilizer.

That's about all you really need to know from Mel Bartholomew's book, which he sells from his web site. I have the book, but yet to get Jonwin to build me the raise beds and spend money on the ingredients for Mel's Mix.
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#35 Mar 21 2010 at 12:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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The dirt i'll be starting with is the Planting mix from here: http://www.hhwoodrecyclers.com/ which is apperently (1/3 Screened Topsoil, 1/3 extra fine yard debris compost, 1/3 Super Fine perlite). Is vermiculite and perlite the same thing? I'll get a few bales of peat moss to add to it too, as well as the bone meal stuff

Yes, I have been known to do a bit of woodwork in my day. The window idea is doable, and there is a salvage house fixture yard not too far from here that has old single panel windows for pennies.

And thanks flea!
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#36 Mar 21 2010 at 3:08 AM Rating: Good
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I did a no-dig elevated garden last year. It was small, and only marginally successful. It was a really crappy growing season here though - everyone's gardens kind of flopped.

My lettuce did the best, tomatos ok, beans and peppers grew but didn't yeild much fruit, and the peas never came up at all - don't know if I had bad seeds or there just wasn't enough substrate for them to take hold.

Anyway, I plan to do a regular tilled garden this year.

I've always kept an herb garden though - separate from veggie garden. I like to keep it close to the house, for both convienence and to help dissuade would be munchers from moving in. Critters like herbs. If I cut them back and bundle them up for the winter, the hardier ones will come back year to year.

Good luck:)
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#37 Mar 21 2010 at 3:10 AM Rating: Good
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Kavekk the Ludicrous wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
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An effective slug killer: bury a glass jar top flush with soil level and a bit of beer in the bottom. Set at edge of garden, naturaly.


Yes! I'd forgotten this one. Slugs and snails are suckers for beer.

Emptying it out is gross, though.


Not nearly as much fun as shaking salt on the little buggers, but less laboUr intensive. Smiley: nod


Just do what I do and salt the earth. It's the only way to be sure.
I just lay an empty beer can in the garden if it's a wet sluggish season. They crawl right in and you can toss the whole lot.
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#38 Mar 21 2010 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
My tips? Try lots of stuff and see what works. Ask questions when it doesn't. But it sounds like Kaolian is on that path anyhow.

I have done nothing in the garden yet this year. However, I am madly giving away avocados setting up trade routes as one of my neighbors calls it for all their citrus.

The peaches are doing great and should be ready in May. The plum tree is just flowering now, which is normal. Also doing great and our bee situation seems better then last year at this point, meaning we have more. My lemon bush is doing OK but they are just now ripening. Not much on it. And the black raspberry vine I trained over our garden arch last year seems to be fruiting. I never paid much attention to it last time so we'll see.

Tomatoes, onions and chives are definitely going in.

#39 Mar 21 2010 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
no eggplant?
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#40 Mar 21 2010 at 1:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Here's an idea you might want to think about for your herb garden.

Why not combine two hobbies?

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An aquaponics installation requires no soil, scant water (2 to 10 percent of what is used in the average vegetable garden), a modest financial outlay and minimal maintenance. There's no dealing with pesticides, and the system is sustainable and easy to set up. For gardeners conscious of the need to slash their water use... or those with little or no land, this method has a lot to offer.

The cherry on top is that you get to enjoy nurturing a school of pretty fish. Fish can be fed with regular fish food or, eventually, with the fruits of your crop, creating a virtuous circle in which you know precisely what is going into the food you eat. Whether you consider your fish a decorative feature or dinner is up to you.


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no eggplant?
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Eggplant is evil! EVIL!!!!
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#42 Mar 21 2010 at 2:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Here's an idea you might want to think about for your herb garden.

Why not combine two hobbies?

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An aquaponics installation requires no soil, scant water (2 to 10 percent of what is used in the average vegetable garden), a modest financial outlay and minimal maintenance. There's no dealing with pesticides, and the system is sustainable and easy to set up. For gardeners conscious of the need to slash their water use... or those with little or no land, this method has a lot to offer.

The cherry on top is that you get to enjoy nurturing a school of pretty fish. Fish can be fed with regular fish food or, eventually, with the fruits of your crop, creating a virtuous circle in which you know precisely what is going into the food you eat. Whether you consider your fish a decorative feature or dinner is up to you.




The one thing that would make me nervous about that would be the sentance "in which you know precisely what is going into the food you eat" since that would consist mainly of Fish ****.I actually do something quite similar to that with the existed planted tank, just not with edible foods. If I had a basement and more yard space, I'd probably think about it anyways though. Set up the main show tank and the indoor sump, then run a line from the indoor sump through the UV sterilizers to an outdoor aquaponics setup stocked with freshwater shrimp, clams, and smallmouth bass, floating mass of plants on the top, treat the whole thing as a big filtration getup, the UV steralizers would seperate any potential diseases.I may do that someday anyways when I get a bigger tank. I have space for a 260 gallon right now, just need to find a cheap good condition acrylic tank with a stand. Temperature regulation would be the key issue. Might have to set a system cutoff valve to the outer pond if the temperature goes above or below a set point.
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#43 Mar 21 2010 at 3:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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You do know what manure is, right? Smiley: laugh

Eh, just a thought.

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#44 Mar 21 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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#45 Mar 23 2010 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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The dirt i'll be starting with is the Planting mix from here: http://www.hhwoodrecyclers.com/ which is apperently (1/3 Screened Topsoil, 1/3 extra fine yard debris compost, 1/3 Super Fine perlite). Is vermiculite and perlite the same thing? I'll get a few bales of peat moss to add to it too, as well as the bone meal stuff


I really feel sorry for people who don't live in areas w/o black dirt, living in the second most fertile area of the states seems to pay off at times.

I also concur on the chives though, chives are awesome.
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The one thing that would make me nervous about that would be the sentance "in which you know precisely what is going into the food you eat" since that would consist mainly of Fish ****.

A primary ingredient in most fertilizers is urea. As in urine. Which is so effective that we artificially manufacture about a hundred million tons of it annually.

So instead of fish ****, you can use factory manufactured pee.
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#47 Mar 23 2010 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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Generally, if you're Filipino, you have a garden and some fruit trees. The family rarely buys any fresh produce because we'll just go to the garden and if we don't have whatever we need, there's always the extended family to go get food. We always have chives, tomatoes, lemons, oranges, apples, avocadoes, pears, potatoes.

My favorite thing growing up? Getting lobsters out of the San Diego Bay. The dads and uncles all had lobster traps and the freezers would be stuffed with lobsters. After awhile all the kids got tired of lobster, but our moms would slice up the lobsters, cook them and tell us it was shrimp.
#48 Mar 23 2010 at 9:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Every summer my mom and I used to can vegetables and make jam, jelly and chutney. GOD that was hot work.

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#49 Mar 23 2010 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
Asparagus is the funnest thing I've ever grown. It can grow six inches overnight. It's incredible.

Also, okra.
#50 Mar 23 2010 at 10:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm thinking carrots, potatoes, tomatoes, beans, snow peas, brussle sprouts, maybe some lettuice, maybe a watermellon just for the heck of it


Stay away from watermellons. The size of the garden you're planning isn't big enough, they vine all over the place.

Also break down and buy a tumbler composter.

Other than that just make sure you've got a good watering system.


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I'm thinking carrots, potatoes, tomatoes, beans, snow peas, brussle sprouts, maybe some lettuice, maybe a watermellon just for the heck of it


Stay away from watermellons. The size of the garden you're planning isn't big enough, they vine all over the place.


Also, they attract black people.
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