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#1 Mar 23 2010 at 4:35 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/23/AR2010032302487.html

A major sea change with western businesses no longer enforcing repressive rules or a minor tiff in an otherwise cozy relationship?

For those of you following China more closely then I do: is this a sign of a more repressive China, or really nothing has changed?

I can't imagine a more open ended commitment then censoring undesirable content. In the case of China, this could be virtually anything. At that point, the company is an arm of government. Although it may have seemed reasonable at the beginning, with some admittedly large collection of filtered terms, the ease with which people route around censorship by inventing new terms (take a look at drug terms) must mean this operation grew exponentially. And now the Chinese government seems to be censoring themselves - which is likely what they should have done all along (assuming, of course, they are going down this bad road to begin with).

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I think China is not a very stable place right now.

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#3 Mar 23 2010 at 4:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Only because internal elections are coming. I think China is pretty stable overall.

It was a good move by Google, if not necessarily for them.
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#4 Mar 24 2010 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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I think China is not a very stable place right now.


Only because internal elections are coming. I think China is pretty stable overall.

It was a good move by Google, if not necessarily for them.


Forgive my ignorance, but my impression was elections in China were one party affairs. I did a bit of homework by using google news and I couldn't find anything like, say, a primary election within the party or something. Can the Chinese people show their disapproval in the election (by, say, not voting?)

I understand how any regime, even without elections benefits from drumming up nationalism in terms of popularity.

#5 Mar 24 2010 at 1:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
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I think China is not a very stable place right now.


Only because internal elections are coming. I think China is pretty stable overall.

It was a good move by Google, if not necessarily for them.


Forgive my ignorance, but my impression was elections in China were one party affairs. I did a bit of homework by using google news and I couldn't find anything like, say, a primary election within the party or something. Can the Chinese people show their disapproval in the election (by, say, not voting?)


The Chinese people can't, but the Chinese members of the Communsit Party can. Well, that's not 100% true because there are some forms of limited local elections in China, in certain areas, but it's so limited that it doesn't affect anything. But the elections of a new leader within the Communist party does make a small difference. There are lots of internal tensions, posturing and struggles going on inside the party, which obviously has an effect on policy.

Fundamentally, though, the issue is not really China. They haven't changed their stance, they want a censored version of the internet and they will only do business on those terms. It's Google who changed the game by refusing to play by those rules. They did the 180 turn. Which is a good thing, don't get me wrong, but if there's any "news" in this story it's the Google change of heart, not the censorship of China.
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#6 Mar 24 2010 at 2:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Fundamentally, though, the issue is not really China. They haven't changed their stance, they want a censored version of the internet and they will only do business on those terms


Ehhh, China has changed their stance, though. Not only with Google but with all high-tech firms trying to do business there. They've been increasingly strident about insisting on having access to proprietary technology, and less subtle about, frankly, stealing it if it isn't offered freely.

I'm not sure what exactly is impelling all of this but it doesn't smell good. I have a feeling we're about to see some amount of reprisals either internally or aimed at the West. Maybe both.

This is why I'm thinking things are not as stable as China would like the world to think. My gut feeling is that they simply have too many plates in the air, and they're starting to lose it.
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#7 Mar 24 2010 at 5:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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They've been increasingly strident about insisting on having access to proprietary technology, and less subtle about, frankly, stealing it if it isn't offered freely.


Yeah, but I'm not sure it signals anything new. China has always been pretty good at stealing secrets, and they've certainly made the most of the internet as a spying and hacking device. Maybe what we're seeing is them flexing their muscle, being more assertive and confident, but I think that's just their PR, rather any internal instability. I might be wrong though, I'm not an expert China watcher. But it seems roughly as stable as an emerging superpower with over a billion people can be.
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#8 Mar 24 2010 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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My favorite part about this whole Google vs China thing has actually been Microsofts stance on the whole thing.

Microsoft scoffed at Google for not knowing how to do business with the Chinese government, yet MS has only been in business in China for a little over 20 years.

gg microsoft... gg
#9 Mar 24 2010 at 6:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
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They've been increasingly strident about insisting on having access to proprietary technology, and less subtle about, frankly, stealing it if it isn't offered freely.


Yeah, but I'm not sure it signals anything new. China has always been pretty good at stealing secrets, and they've certainly made the most of the internet as a spying and hacking device. Maybe what we're seeing is them flexing their muscle, being more assertive and confident, but I think that's just their PR, rather any internal instability. I might be wrong though, I'm not an expert China watcher. But it seems roughly as stable as an emerging superpower with over a billion people can be.


Compared to India?

Maybe.
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#10 Mar 24 2010 at 7:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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My favorite part about this whole Google vs China thing has actually been Microsofts stance on the whole thing.

Microsoft scoffed at Google for not knowing how to do business with the Chinese government, yet MS has only been in business in China for a little over 20 years.

gg microsoft... gg


MS's business model in China is hilarious though.

Thier strategy is to intentionally not put transfer protections in place on proprietary software in the hope that chinese consumers will pirate it in order to build up a captive pseudo market share in the region. Then offer a low priced legit alternative for those previous "consumers" that have improved enough economically to not be willing to put forth the effort to pirate.

"If they steal software, we want them to steal our software"
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I wanted to start editing posts so they censored the word china and replaced it with google, but that would have been confusing even for me.
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#12 Mar 24 2010 at 8:00 PM Rating: Good
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Just add china to the list of filtered words, a la !@#$.
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