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Even true socialists don't consider health care reform or Obama socialist.



I really don't have anything to add. Just thought I'd throw this out there so we have yet another (same) argument!

Socialist or Elf?

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So essentially, any stance on policy which leans left is ultimately just a shade of socialism, yes? Interesting. I can only assume then that to have any conservative views really just makes one a fascist then, to one degree or another.

I won't lie, I always suspected as much, but I want to thank you gbaji for clarifying, and for being so succinct.

Welsh. So, both.

No, he's on his self-admitted medication (crystal meth) thus the long rambling posts, total nonsense, no room for doubt.

Everyone else sees the Arctic ice melting and shipping lanes opening up, gun ownership correlating with gun violence, but gbaji can close his eyes to this, plug his ears, repeat what he wishes were true and viola:

There's a whole world out there that you just aren't seeing...

Yes, gbaji, that's because it is a fantasy. I choose life, reality, shades of gray and constant examination of my beliefs in light of new evidence. What forum troll 1.0 has taught me is that some choose the opposites.

Oh ya, and that meth --> long, rambling posts.

gbaji on meth, however, still makes more sense then Fox News. So there's that.

This would be a perfect example of pulling out extraneous terms in order to muddy the waters. The only question is: Are the policies of Obama socialist. Into that mix, someone tossed "leaning left", which is itself a completely subjective thing, isn't it? Funny that you jumped right onto that when given the chance.


It doesn't freaking matter what you and I think "leaning left" means. What matters is whether the policies in question meet the definition of "socialism". And if we're going to continue on the subjective aspect of this, that doesn't really matter either. If what he's doing is something people don't agree with, and they choose to call it "socialism", it doesn't really matter what that means objectively. It's a placeholder for "he's doing things we don't agree with". As long as that is true, then the statement itself has meaning.





You mean every thread in which people work as hard as they can to play word games in order to avoid looking at what something is? At some point, doesn't it ever dawn on you that what we call something doesn't matter nearly as much as what it actually is? Now, if you can show how people are being influenced purely by the label, you have a point. But you've failed to pay attention to what those protesting Obama's actions are saying if you think that's the case. Despite the misspelled signs, pretty much every single person showing up at a tea party can tell you that the reasons they don't agree with Obama are about expanding government, ballooning budgets, growing deficits and debt, and the inevitable tax increases which will likely follow. It's about their freedoms and liberties being infringed by those things.


It's not just because someone told them Obama is a socialist and they don't like socialists. That's the kind of moronically simplistic arguments that liberals use...

That's the best response you have? We're in a thread in which the central theme is that a group of "true socialists" don't think that Obama is a socialist so that means that Conservatives shouldn't think he is either...

And you think I'm being fallacious?

Edited, Apr 15th 2010 7:18pm by gbaji

Well yeah. You're so fUcking ridiculous I can't imagine why folks around here respond to you in any other way.

Shhhh...

You're disturbing the way he has designed the world for the purpose of this thread.

Yes...