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#1 Jun 08 2010 at 3:10 AM Rating: Excellent
The UK's Daily Telegraph is reporting that NASA scientist have found evidence of life on Saturn's moon, Titan. This is not exactly correct, as Phil Plait eloquently states. What they have found, is possible evidence that there may be life on Titan.

First, a little about Titan. Titan is @#%^ing huge for a moon. It's the 2nd largest moon in our solar system & is larger than both Mercury & Pluto. It also has a couple unique features for a moon; It has quite a thick atmosphere (No other moons in the solar system have an atmosphere made up of anything other than trace gasses) & has liquid on it's surface (no other planetary objects in our solar system have been found to contain liquids besides earth). This liquid is not water though, as H20 would be frozen solid at the distance Titan is from the sun (it could thaw from geothermal activity, and/or exist underground though) but is liquid methane.

The newest "discovery" is as follows: 5 years ago it was hypothesized that if methane-based life did exist on Titan, (rather than water-based) it might be detectable through a surface depletion of hydrogen & other gasses. New observations show that this is the case; there are lower amounts of these substances than the chemistry of Titan would indicate. Basically, the Hydrogen in the atmosphere is disappearing when it gets to the surface. Ipso facto, it could possibly be being consumed by Titanian life forms.

Now, the guy who hypothesized the surface depletion of Hydrogen and other gases also wrote a little tidbit & he had this to say about this recent observation.

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There are four possibilities for the recently reported findings, listed in order of their likely reality:

1. The determination that there is a strong flux of hydrogen into the surface is mistaken. It will be interesting to see if other researchers, in trying to duplicate Strobel's results, reach the same conclusion.

2. There is a physical process that is transporting H2 from the upper atmosphere into the lower atmosphere. One possibility is adsorption onto the solid organic atmospheric haze particles which eventually fall to the ground. However this would be a flux of H2, and not a net loss of H2.

3. If the loss of hydrogen at the surface is correct, the non-biological explanation requires that there be some sort of surface catalyst, presently unknown, that can mediate the hydrogenation reaction at 95 K, the temperature of the Titan surface. That would be quite interesting and a startling find although not as startling as the presence of life.

4. The depletion of hydrogen, acetylene, and ethane, is due to a new type of liquid-methane based life form as predicted (Benner et al. 2004, McKay and Smith 2005, and Schulze-Makuch and Grinspoon 2005).


Neat stuff, but not as neat as the Telegraph made it out to be.

Edited, Jun 8th 2010 5:47am by Omegavegeta
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#2 Jun 08 2010 at 7:13 AM Rating: Good
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4. The depletion of hydrogen, acetylene, and ethane, is due to a new type of liquid-methane based life form as predicted (Benner et al. 2004, McKay and Smith 2005, and Schulze-Makuch and Grinspoon 2005).


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#4 Jun 08 2010 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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Funny you should make a 2001 reference (Well, 2010...but anyhoo), as Jupiter recently got smacked with another asteroid & the "belt" that the red spot revolves in is gone!

I wonder if something wonderful is happening...
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#5 Jun 08 2010 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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Funny you should make a 2001 reference (Well, 2010...but anyhoo), as Jupiter recently got smacked with another asteroid & the "belt" that the red spot revolves in is gone!

I wonder if something wonderful is happening...
This apparently happens every 15 years or so. I've read that the dark belts are denser than the light ones, and that atmospheric conditions may have simply covered the belt over temporarily.
#6 Jun 08 2010 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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I wish the media-esque releases wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions. Writing a popular article is great, but not when it misleads everyone that reads it. I can see myself explaining to quite a few people that we actually didn't find life on Titan that we know of.

On that note, I'd like to say, Jupiter is ******* interesting.
#7 Jun 08 2010 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
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4. The depletion of hydrogen, acetylene, and ethane, is due to a new type of liquid-methane based life form as predicted (Benner et al. 2004, McKay and Smith 2005, and Schulze-Makuch and Grinspoon 2005).


We need to take action now! Where is Al Gore? Somebody get him a scissor lift.

***** that, we need to get David Duchovny and Julianne Moore to figure out how to fight these potential alien invaders off!
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#8 Jun 08 2010 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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This apparently happens every 15 years or so. I've read that the dark belts are denser than the light ones, and that atmospheric conditions may have simply covered the belt over temporarily.


I don't know where you got the 15 years cycle from (it happened before in 1998), but it's my understanding that we don't know why it's "gone" only that it's got something to do with temperature fluctuations, the "belt" sinking into the atmosphere (which is 10's of thousands of kilometers think before the pressure turns the gas into liquid), and/or monoliths.
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#9 Jun 08 2010 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
All I really remember from my Astronomy class was going out and looking at Hale Bopp through a strong telescope, and being told that if we had a bathtub large enough filled with water Jupiter would float in it.
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Good thing you saw it as it's not due back until around 4385!
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#11 Jun 08 2010 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I saw Halley's Comet at a midnight event at elementary school!

(Though I remember more drinking a dozen cups of hot chocolate and almost barfing it up afterwards)
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#12 Jun 08 2010 at 5:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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All I really remember from my Astronomy class was ... being told that if we had a bathtub large enough filled with water Jupiter would float in it.
That would be Saturn, actually. Jupiter's slightly more dense than water.

The problem with putting Saturn in that big of a bathtub is that presumably it would leave a ring.
#13 Jun 08 2010 at 5:43 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
All I really remember from my Astronomy class was ... being told that if we had a bathtub large enough filled with water Jupiter would float in it.
That would be Saturn, actually. Jupiter's slightly more dense than water.

The problem with putting Saturn in that big of a bathtub is that presumably it would leave a ring.


You didn't.
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#16 Jun 08 2010 at 9:24 PM Rating: Good
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Omegavegeta wrote:
Neat stuff, but not as neat as the Telegraph made it out to be.

The original hypothesis and the present observation about hydrogen on Titan is still totally cool. 1 to 4 /geekgasms.
#17 Jun 08 2010 at 9:27 PM Rating: Good
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Omegavegeta wrote:
Neat stuff, but not as neat as the Telegraph made it out to be.

The original hypothesis and the present observation about hydrogen on Titan is still totally cool. 1 to 4 /geekgasms.


Don't be too cheerful about it, there's still that 50% chance the LHC kills us all.
#18 Jun 08 2010 at 9:32 PM Rating: Good
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Omegavegeta wrote:
Neat stuff, but not as neat as the Telegraph made it out to be.

The original hypothesis and the present observation about hydrogen on Titan is still totally cool. 1 to 4 /geekgasms.


Don't be too cheerful about it, there's still that 50% chance the LHC kills us all.

Nah, the methane hydrate runaway greenhouse has our number.
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4. The depletion of hydrogen, acetylene, and ethane, is due to a new type of liquid-methane based life form as predicted (Benner et al. 2004, McKay and Smith 2005, and Schulze-Makuch and Grinspoon 2005).


We need to take action now! Where is Al Gore? Somebody get him a scissor lift.

***** that, we need to get David Duchovny and Julianne Moore to figure out how to fight these potential alien invaders off!


Why Julianne Moore?

and not Gillian Anderson?
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Oh, I forgot about that one...
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Oh, I forgot about that one...

Specifically, the scene where Duchovny is looking at the periodic table on Moore's shirt and comes to the realization that they need to give the alien a Head & Shoulders *****.
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