Lord Nobby wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
So, you had expectations of the war and they weren't met, so you consider it a failure?.
1. If the objective was to foment a mass-radicalisation of previously moderate muslims in Iraq, Iran, Syria etc., it was a wowsie. Otherwise, it caused far greater problems in the Middle East, and in the West than it solved. Q.E.D. A failure - not my subjective view old chum - facts.
The only way you can objectively determine the success of the war is to compare and contrast each mission through the various phases and mission objectives of the war. Given the fact that you're implying that there was only one mission and or goal, demonstrates your ignorance. I think it is safe to say that you have no idea what a MIT team is and their role during this war. From my understanding, their concept of the mission is at the top of the totem poll. So, how can you determine success or failure if you don't even know the goals? I'll tell you how. You subjectively decided the outcome based on what you expected the outcome to be.
Hey dude, take a look at these awful wikileak videos....They're totally classified, so they must be baaaaaad G-14 stuff
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRK3042K_to&feature=related
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Nuasv3CIg
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZF30AUL-vg
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8datt92mFhk&feature=related
If you can't see the bias that your loving source is providing, then you're too far into delusion to be saved.
Nobby wrote:
Dunno about you, but it's easier to turn a blind eye to the deaths of "4 non combatants" than it is to ignore the deaths of Hannan, a 26 year old checkout girl and her children Iftiqar (age 6), Hannan (age 4) and Zualfiqar (2).
I know there's collateral damage in war, but didn't we 'win' the war a few years back. Innocent women and children are dying at the hands of our soldiers, often as a result of indiscipline, poor training and ***** intelligence.
At best, incompetence; at worst, war crimes. Thanks to knobheads like you, much of this knowledge is buried with the victims by unthinking, **************** little ***** like you.
I know there's collateral damage in war, but didn't we 'win' the war a few years back. Innocent women and children are dying at the hands of our soldiers, often as a result of indiscipline, poor training and ***** intelligence.
At best, incompetence; at worst, war crimes. Thanks to knobheads like you, much of this knowledge is buried with the victims by unthinking, **************** little ***** like you.
You're living in a fantasy world. You claim that you understand war, but you aren't demonstrating as such, but quite the opposite. This isn't the Civil War or the Revolutionary War where it's two armies, dressed in uniforms fighting on a battle field. The US is following the Geneva Convention and we're fighting insurgents who don't represent their native country's ideas and philosophies. They are not following the Geneva Convention and fight in the urban environments. The biggest thing that you seem to overlook is not only is the war taking place in urban environments, but the insurgents use civilians in their tactics.
So, if you want to complain about the deaths of innocent people, why don't you get upset at the people who are putting them in harms way, the terrorists. The U.S military had to do a shift into doing Urban Ops, we were much better suited in operating in a "field" environment.
You have no idea about the amount of stress that goes on a US Soldier.
- Family separation, trying to hold marriages and relationships together.
- Missing important times such as births, graduations, funerals, first steps, etc. Having to come home to a 6 month year old child who doesn't even know who you are.
- The fact that every day is an increased probability of it being your last.
- The loss of fallen comrades, seeing people getting shot at, killed and losing limbs..
- Then, even if you survive all of that, now you have to fight mental stress of combat and have to readjust back into the US society. You don't think the deaths of innocent people don't haunt Soldiers?
I hear stories from Vietnam vets on how they were treated when they came back. It's bad enough that these Soldiers have to endure the aforementioned, but the last thing they need is some ***-face douche bag, like yourself, adding more unnecessary drama because you don't understand how war works or the mission at hand. Do us all a favor drink Clorox, it'll clean out your system.
Nobby wrote:
Now **** off and suck some junior officer's **** like they pay you to.
I am a junior officer, you ignorant nut-sucking sheep.