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And this is why you are both consistently coming to false conclusions. That resolution didn't state support for an invasion if "WMD were strong suspicion". Certainly, the resolution did not hinge on proof that Iraq "possessed WMDs", yet that's how some people constantly interpret it.

UN resolution 1441 found Iraq to be in material breach of the terms of the cease fire agreement. This was not just about WMDs (which were not themselves just about possession, but also blocking of inspections, clear actions designed to obtain materials related to WMD development and production, etc), but was also about missile development in violation of the agreement, and lack of compensation to Kuwait for damages done during the 1990 invasion of that country.

The Hans Blix report showed that Iraq was still violating those terms. It could not have been more clear about this. That the UN chose not to follow through with the threat in 1441 speaks volumes about many UN nations lack of spine, and not to some kind of lie perpetrated by the US.

Read the actual freaking documents instead of repeating anti-war rhetoric. You might just learn something...



It was not about the "use" of WMDs though. This was the anti-war folks moving the goalposts. I think that when the UN still refused to take action even after the Blix report showed that Iraq still had not met its obligations and appeared to have no intention of *ever* meeting those treaty obligations it became obvious to any sane person that the UN was never going to take action no matter what Iraq did. At that point, it lost the right to control what happened. What that was was the UN proving to the world just how ineffectual it really was. So once again the US stepped up to do what needed to be done while you Europeans largely sat around wringing your hands.


Go sit on your rocking chair and knit your sweaters Granny. We'll take care of things. But don't sit there and complain when we do so. If you want to get up out of your chair and do something meaningful, then do it. But Europe has so completely lost its spine for so long, I'm not going to hold my breath.

Edited, Nov 2nd 2010 2:05pm by gbaji

Of course I would want justice, I said that in this thread in reference to the Reuters. I don't blame them for wanting to see the video because any person of concern would want to do the same thing. Where you fail is your false accusation that illegal activities are taking place and that there is a massive cover up, yet you haven't provided any proof. Because of that, you can't ridicule or question someone who doesn't believe you.

Did you or did you not ever see a death toll ticker on the news and hear about mission outcomes or do you want a 24/7 live feed of the war?

You only wish you were as awesome as I am. I realize what I say is above and beyond your low level of comprehension. It's ok, it'll come to you one day. maybe

It makes me giggle that I appear to earn about 4x what you do, and you've made it clear that you value your employment in material terms, whereas I choose to maintain my career because of the sense of worth it gives me; not what I could earn if I took my skills elesewhere.

****.

Who gets more action than you ever will, by all accounts. Also, his cars are generally > your cars.

He's also better at cooking and looking like Eric Clapton than you are.

Ah yes! The "real reasons". Make sure to look around furtively and speak in a conspiratorial tone to make sure no one mistakes that those "real reasons" must be something sneaky and underhanded.


It doesn't matter what you think the real reasons were. Iraq was in violation of the cease fire agreement. After 10 years of being in violation, The UN passed a resolution essentially stating that this was their last chance to comply or else (really! We mean it this time! Honest!). Iraq did not comply. The UN chief inspector's report clearly stated that Iraq was not in compliance and showed no sign that it intended to comply. Ever. One would expect that the "or else" clause of the resolution should now take effect, right?

The UN failed to act on its own ultimatum, thus proving its lack of resolve and inability to enforce its own resolutions. The problem was not with the US. It was with the UN. The problem was not a lack of justification, but with a group of wimpy scared little socialists who **** themselves when someone doesn't take their bribe money and do what they want and then stand around writing words on pieces of paper denouncing them, but never actually doing anything about it.


So yeah. We acted when the rest of the world was too afraid to do so. And frankly your cries of "unfair" after the fact kinda don't mean anything, since you've already proven that you wont ever ever ever do anything about it anyway. Oh no! I'm scared! Oh wait. I'm really not.

What are you going to do? Pass a UN resolution? Lol!

The girls must love it when you talk tough to them.

If I were making 100k a year, I would have a more expensive car... >.> So, tell me, how much do you make?

I'm talking pounds; not dollars, Euros or other Mickey Mouse currencies.

Have you read any of the articles yet? Do so, then we can talk about what they contain. I'll be waiting.

I have and have not found anything out of the ordinary. So please tell me exactly what is supporting a governmental conspiracy.