Locke wrote:
So Kachi is right. You can't say it or do it, but you can be it. The rest of your paragraph oddly ignores exactly what you quoted. Notice the next word in the quote from the rules is OR. You don't need to say "I want to sleep with dudes." You can just say "I'm gay" and you're out. Which is what Kachi said. Which is kind of the point I was making, you just claim everyone else is wrong because you don't understand it. Odd, when you quoted the rules yourself, then ignore them.
You are really lost on this. Kachi is making two statements. His first statement is that you are kicked out for homosexual activities not your homosexual orientation. You said yourself, admitting to being gay doesn't make you gay, so you're not being discharged for homosexual conduct, but for homosexuality.
So what he had said is false.
ADDTIONALLY, he said that homosexuals were allowed as long as they keep it a secret.
THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT STATEMENTS. Both can't be true. So pick one. If you're being kicked out for sexual conduct and not orientation, then finding out that you're gay isn't just for a discharge. You would have be to charged with a specific sexual conduct.
There is no way to know if someone is gay without either the person saying s/he is gay or doing something that is what someone considers gay. People saying that they are gay, doesn't make them gay. Just like me saying that I slept with Joe's wife doesn't mean I slept with Joe's wife. I wouldn't get discharged for adultery just saying that I slept with Joe's wife.
The quote also says if it appears that you have the propensity or intent to... That means you haven't done or said anything that admits that you're gay or have done any homosexual activities. This means that it APPEARS, that you are an homosexual. If it were truly "as long as
YOU keep it secret", then you shouldn't be kicked out because it
APPEARS that you
MIGHT do something gay. That's literally saying "We think that you might be gay, so you're being discharged". The fact that they are not sure on the matter, means if you were gay, then it is still a secret.
If you actually read the UCMJ, it doesn't just say "Thou shalt not do x". It explains exactly what "x" is, so there is no confusion on what "x" is. That's exactly what DoD has done with homosexuality.
The military is saying that homosexuality by defining EXACTLY what the military considers homosexuality. Otherwise, there is no way that anyone can tell or be judged as such. The DoD has created a standard of what it is considered "homosexuality". You're simply taking that as "oh, well as long as no one knows, then it's ok", when that has always been the case before DADT with every rule in the military.
Locke wrote:
Your opinion isn't a fact, but I'll admit, it was my bad for even trying to jump into a discussion with you about a scenario you yourself made up. You're right, I don't know the girl. You simply wrote "She says she's a lesbian, but dates guys, and we all knew she wasn't gay but was just unattractive." And she even slept with a guy? Woo-hoo! The point still stands - being "gay" does not necessarily mean you act on it or even say it. It's internal. It's attraction. You could sleep with dozens of women and still wish they had a dong. And we call that... homosexuality!
This is how you have no credibility with me. Honestly, I respect RDD more than you at this point. After I tell you the story, then try to clarify it, you're still claiming that I "made it up". Based on what? Absolutely nothing but your own ignorance.
This isn't me assuming anything. The entire store would have had to be wrong on this. It's simple. If you talk the talk, but don't walk the walk, then there is a disconnect. What if a guy who's always making sexist comments about how he would nail this girl and that girl, but every time a decent looking female approaches him, he backs off. But, he turns around and nails the first dude that approaches him, who is low on the attractive scale?
Are you telling me, that you wouldn't think that he's just faking the funk? Oh, wait, that's right. Homosexual people don't pretend to be heterosexual.. THAT'S SILLY!!!!
Dude grow up...
Locke wrote:
Happy to see your behavior is dictated by others. And not even me! For you to take me seriously, someone else needs to grow up? Mature, dude Smiley: rolleyes
As my own scenario, several summers ago my best friend from high school hooked up with a girl. She was a freak in bed - they got busted by the cops while in his car once, and she swore up a storm at them because she was pissed they got interrupted just as she was about to ******.
She's a lesbian. She's been dating the same girl for about three years now. She tried out my friend because she was curious, and while it was fun, she just was attracted to girls, not guys. It didn't stop her from having sex with guys, but it wasn't due to attraction (her own words).
I feel bad for my friend; I still tease him about "turning her gay"
Dictated by others? What gave you that impersonation? I have no respect for you, so I couldn't care less what you think because I know that you're full of BS. You told me a story about your friend just now and I assume that you're telling the truth even though I disagree with you. I tell you a story and you act like that I'm making stuff up or miss-analyzing the situation.
You see the difference?