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#1 Jun 27 2011 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304447804576411571732346148.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
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WASHINGTON—The Supreme Court on Monday struck down a California law blocking minors from buying violent videogames, voting 7-2 that it violates the First Amendment.

Huzzah, and such.

The most interesting part of the story is the voting breakdown. In the majority were Scalia, Kagan, Sotomayor, Kennedy, and Ginsburg, with Roberts and Alito concurring. Dissenting were Thomas and Breyer.
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#2 Jun 27 2011 at 12:56 PM Rating: Good
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#3 Jun 27 2011 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
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I had heard this earlier. I'm a bit confused as I thought video games already received a rating that prohibited sales/rentals to minors. But perhaps that's only based on sexual content??

I don't think violent video games create violent kids anymore than watching the Road Runner makes one go out and buy an ACME anvil and drop it on someone's head.
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#4 Jun 27 2011 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
I had heard this earlier. I'm a bit confused as I thought video games already received a rating that prohibited sales/rentals to minors.

I assumed that was more a self-policing industry thing like the MPAA's movie ratings or the old comic codes. Not enforced by law but rather but the industries so to avoid more draconian laws being pushed by upset mothers.

Being an old man, I never bothered to look into it so don't quote me.
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#5 Jun 27 2011 at 1:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
I had heard this earlier. I'm a bit confused as I thought video games already received a rating that prohibited sales/rentals to minors. But perhaps that's only based on sexual content??

The content rating is performed by the games industry, but not enforced in any way by any level of government. However, most big electronics retailers have internal policies of restricting sales of mature-rated games to customers under 17.
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Elinda wrote:
I don't think violent video games create violent kids anymore than watching the Road Runner makes one go out and buy an ACME anvil and drop it on someone's head.
They started showing the olde Looney Toons on Cartoon Network, so out of pure nostalgia I watch the hell out of it. However, once in a while they'll show a cartoon that I absolutely LOVED as a kid, so I have it memorized, and I notice they edit out certain scenes that weren't censored before. Like the one where Daffy and Bugs are competing for applause from the audience, and at the end Daffy blows himself up. Bugs admits he can never top that, and Daffy laments that he can only do it once. Completely gone. What gets me is that while scenes like that are being removed, Seth MacFarlane goes out of his way to put more violence and blood in Family Guy episodes, which do get aired in, what appears, their entirety.

What, blowing yourself up on a TNT rigged xylophone is too realistic, but running over someone with a lawn mower in a gory mess isn't?

I'd say it has something to do with time slot. Stupid reason in the end.
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#7 Jun 27 2011 at 3:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I love how the people who are always going "Video games are making kids killers" are of the right age to have played cowboys and indians as children, pointing guns and shooting at each other.
#8 Jun 27 2011 at 3:10 PM Rating: Good
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I love how the people who are always going "Video games are making kids killers" are of the right age to have played cowboys and indians as children, pointing guns and shooting at each other.

I love how you named yourself after an antacid.
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xantav wrote:
I love how the people who are always going "Video games are making kids killers" are of the right age to have played cowboys and indians as children, pointing guns and shooting at each other.

Right. Because saying "Bang, bang!" at someone is exactly the same as a realistic depiction of murder in a video game.

I'm not in favor of laws like in the OP but don't hurt your own cause by sounding retarded in its defense.
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#10 Jun 27 2011 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
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xantav wrote:
I love how the people who are always going "Video games are making kids killers" are of the right age to have played cowboys and indians as children, pointing guns and shooting at each other.

Right. Because saying "Bang, bang!" at someone is exactly the same as a realistic depiction of murder in a video game.

I'm not in favor of laws like in the OP but don't hurt your own cause by sounding retarded in its defense.

Perhaps not, but it does foster the sort of unhealthy views of superiority towards racial & ethnic minorities that could lead to acts of violence in later stages of life.

Kumbaya.
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Not if you make sure that the Indians Indigenous People of the Americas win exactly 50% of the time.


Duh.
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#12 Jun 27 2011 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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If they won 50% of the time, then it wouldn't be AMERICAN.

Edited, Jun 27th 2011 5:35pm by lolgaxe
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#13 Jun 27 2011 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
xantav wrote:
I love how the people who are always going "Video games are making kids killers" are of the right age to have played cowboys and indians as children, pointing guns and shooting at each other.

Right. Because saying "Bang, bang!" at someone is exactly the same as a realistic depiction of murder in a video game.

I'm not in favor of laws like in the OP but don't hurt your own cause by sounding retarded in its defense.


What realistic depictions of murder? Like, which game are you thinking of?
#14 Jun 27 2011 at 3:32 PM Rating: Good
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If they won 50% of the time, then it wouldn't be AMERICAN.


That looks like Ame Can on the Zam.com skin. Just for the record.
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Jophiel wrote:
xantav wrote:
I love how the people who are always going "Video games are making kids killers" are of the right age to have played cowboys and indians as children, pointing guns and shooting at each other.

Right. Because saying "Bang, bang!" at someone is exactly the same as a realistic depiction of murder in a video game.

I'm not in favor of laws like in the OP but don't hurt your own cause by sounding retarded in its defense.

One "teaches" you how to point and pull a trigger, while the other "teaches" you what happens when you point and pull the trigger.
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#16 Jun 27 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
If they won 50% of the time, then it wouldn't be AMERICAN.
That looks like Ame Can on the Zam.com skin. Just for the record.
Didn't look that great on the FFXI skin, either.
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#17 Jun 27 2011 at 3:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think this is a good thing too. It's always been a stupid argument. It should always be up to the parent.

My son is 9. He plays CoD. We allow him to play it with the graphics and language on, and he's also allowed to play online. But the Xbox is right here in the living room. We can monitor what he's seeing and hearing and explain anything that might seem questionable. We're doinitrite.

The comparison to Looney Toons is right. I grew up on those, watched them religiously and so far I've only painted one dog's tongue red.
#18 Jun 27 2011 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
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What did you paint it with???
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MoebiusLord wrote:
xantav wrote:
I love how the people who are always going "Video games are making kids killers" are of the right age to have played cowboys and indians as children, pointing guns and shooting at each other.

I love how you named yourself after an antacid.


Um, he didn't. There is no antacid currently on the market called Xantav.
#20 Jun 27 2011 at 5:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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What did you paint it with???

Blood from his head where I dropped an Acme anvil on it.
#21 Jun 28 2011 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord wrote:
xantav wrote:
I love how the people who are always going "Video games are making kids killers" are of the right age to have played cowboys and indians as children, pointing guns and shooting at each other.

I love how you named yourself after an antacid.


Um, he didn't. There is no antacid currently on the market called Xantav.

You make hemorrhoids seem tolerable.

#22REDACTED, Posted: Jul 01 2011 at 3:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) There's pretty sufficient evidence to suggest that violent video games contribute to childhood and adolescent aggression. Probably most people here are familiar with the old Bobo doll experiment, I would think. Same principle, really.
#23 Jul 01 2011 at 3:51 AM Rating: Default
Anger is perfectly natural and vital to a healthy population, too.

Also, there's tons of positive stuff to say about violence in video games; it serves as a great basis for a set, indeed many sets, of game mechanics that are fundamentally enjoyable.
#24 Jul 01 2011 at 6:05 AM Rating: Good
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A good ruling, I think. Not so much because of the direct outcome, but because of the precedent set.

The aggression argument was a weak one; with as much conjecture and assumption as fact. No viable case was made for why video games deserve to be treated differently than other mediums.
#25 Jul 01 2011 at 6:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Kachi wrote:
There's pretty sufficient evidence to suggest that violent video games contribute to childhood and adolescent aggression. Probably most people here are familiar with the old Bobo doll experiment, I would think. Same principle, really.

I don't feel very strongly about it purely because I think it's parents rather than stores that keep violent games away from kids. But I do think it's @#%^ed up that our society (in the U.S., at least) treats sex like it's such a taboo when everything about sex is completely natural and vital to a healthy population, but violence is no big deal even though there's really nothing positive to say about it.

I understand it's the reverse in some countries.
I don't doubt that some kids who play violent video games will exhibit violent traits themselves. However, most kids - not so much. I'm not so sure about the cause and effect of entertainment spurred violence. Perhaps some kids show more aggressive behavior after 5 hours in front of a PS3, simply because they've been 5 hours in front of a PS3.

I've never really looked at any studies though.

I do agree that our societies dealing with sex is often downright puritanical.
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#26REDACTED, Posted: Jul 01 2011 at 4:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Part of that is just a desensitization to violence that we have ourselves. For example, when we think of accusations like "video games cause children to be violent" we're often imagining something far more atrocious than what we consider "normal" child violence, like play-fighting (even when it's unwelcome), tantrum violence, and bullying (to include relational violence). It's not as though these children generally go out and commit vicious assaults-- rather, they have little skirmishes, they bully, etc... things that we adults tend to dismiss as normal child behavior, but which is demonstrably harmful to children and society.
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