lolgaxe wrote:
Why would you choose to be gay? I mean besides the fabulous clothes and food.
I've only heard of women "choosing" to be gay due to their bad luck with men. I've never heard a man say the same about women.
Vageta wrote:
Hatred & bigotry have nothing to do with many of the logical reasons the military discriminates because of:
gender (There are physical differences between men & woman)
ethnic background (It is in our country's best interest not to give access to some forms of classified information to some foreign born peoples)
religion (Sorry Scientologists, those auditing "machines" are too expensive. Pray to Xenu as much as you like, though.)
weight (It is in the best interest of the military to have physically fit soldiers)
height (You must be this small to fly a jet)
age (Jumping out of airplanes has an expiration date)
Hatred & Bigotry are illogical arguments, based upon emotion. They'll never be "logical" reasons to discriminate.
I've already countered all of these claims already, you keep ignoring the post.
Do you or do you not support your claim that we can discriminate based on traditional gender types?
Vageta wrote:
Is "Comfort" a logical reason to discriminate because of anything? Well, yes & no.
You all keep focusing on the end result. The end result isn't the determining factor, it's the path to the end result. "Comfort" is generic. You can get comfort from killing someone, that doesn't justify murder. "Comfort" in the case of homosexuality in the military isn't from bigotry or prejudice, but from modesty of sexuality. This is the exact reason why men and women are separated ONLY in areas where people are not clothed.
Vageta wrote:
Recently, the majority of the American people, the President, The Joint Chiefs, & the majority of the Military decided that the policy of DADT should be repealed. Since it was already illogical to discriminate because of sexual orientation, as gay men & woman are more than capable of meeting the physical requirements to serve & have been doing so for years, & due to the fact that most soldiers supported repeal- "comfort" could no longer be used as a logical justification for the discrimination. Thus, it was repealed.
Wait, you argue that it's wrong to discriminate against homosexuals because they can physically get the job done, but you wont even let a woman try to join the infantry even though she's out doing convoys with the Infantry? You do realize that women are in combat arm units, right? They just can't be branched as an "Infantryman" or "Armor guy".
So how is it ok to not let physical capable women and physical capable fat people to serve, but not physical capable homosexuals? This HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU BEING PHYSICAL CAPABLE, so stop pretending that it is.
The "Majority" did not support the repeal. Only about a third of the people serving in combat units and/or deployed were represented in that survey.
The survey combined, favored and uncertain in the SAME FREAKIN answer for supporting the change.
And the most important one, it didn't happen until President Obama got in Office. Nothing happened for 8 straight years of a Republican being in office and it took a Democrat before that to repeal asking for sexuality.
So, you can sit here and pretend that it's what the military want, but it isn't, because it would have happened a long time ago. It wouldn't take a Democrat in office to make it happen. The Joint Chiefs would have done it a long time ago, besides, they were the ones talking against it in the first place.
Vageta wrote:
Now, the onus is on you to use facts & logic to refute that. Oh, & #206 doesn't refute any of it, I checked.
206 explains why it should be instated. I've already countered your silly arguments. Unless I missed your post, you ignored it.