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#27 Sep 05 2012 at 6:36 AM Rating: Good
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35 kids in a kindergarten class? Seriously?! How do they even learn anything?

It's been quite a few years since I've been in kindergarten, but there really isn't a whole lot to learn at that level. Mostly finger painting and paste eating.
Kindergarten is important that is sets the stage for the upcoming elementary years.

I'm amazed that there are any states that allow 35 kids in a kindergarten class. Most state laws limit class size for K-3rd grade to around 22.
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I dpeed. Smiley: blush

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#29 Sep 05 2012 at 6:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Kastigir wrote:
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35 kids in a kindergarten class? Seriously?! How do they even learn anything?

It's been quite a few years since I've been in kindergarten, but there really isn't a whole lot to learn at that level. Mostly finger painting and paste eating.


Paste eating in Kindergarten?!.. That's pretty fast tracking. I didn't get to that till the 3rd grade.
#30 Sep 05 2012 at 7:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Paste eating in Kindergarten?!.. That's pretty fast tracking. I didn't get to that till the 3rd grade.
No shit.
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Paste eating in Kindergarten?!.. That's pretty fast tracking. I didn't get to that till the 3rd grade.
No shit.


No, not sh*t, paste..
#32 Sep 05 2012 at 9:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Perhaps you can give your child the academic skills they need but, ask yourself, do you really feel confident that they'll gain the liberal indoctrination they need as well?


You obviously never met my wife.

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So going by the last two comments you guys have some sort of homeschooling package that gives you the materials expected at certain grade levels?


There are a large number of different options. Various curriculum(s? how do I plural that?) are available for order. There are companies and non-profits who put together these teaching materials. Some tailor it to your state, and you can usually find things that help prepare you for the various standardized tests that are becoming the norm.

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Now, once the kid is into middle school and beyond and has multiple specialized instructors I can see more of an argument for traditional education assuming there's no huge problem with the local schools. At that point, the parent is trying to fill the role of 4-6 specialized instructors rather than a single general education instructor.


And we do too. One thing to consider would be putting the kids into the school system later. Another option is that many community colleges let kids take classes as early as 16.
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#33 Sep 05 2012 at 9:17 AM Rating: Default
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As a person with no known children, I support the public school systems with safety (physical and social) being my top priority. I would definitely be concerned of a system that is "behind", but at the same time, I only need the school system to meet me 65-75% of the way. I can fill in the rest.
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Why not public school and fill in the gaps at home? Best of both worlds.
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That was what I was getting at.
#36 Sep 05 2012 at 10:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why not public school and fill in the gaps at home? Best of both worlds.


Not much of an answer, but a lot of times I think it comes down to simply feeling you can do better than that. Or think of it this way, if you're going to have to fill in the gaps anyway, why not just do it yourself?
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#37 Sep 05 2012 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Why not public school and fill in the gaps at home? Best of both worlds.


Not much of an answer, but a lot of times I think it comes down to simply feeling you can do better than that. Or think of it this way, if you're going to have to fill in the gaps anyway, why not just do it yourself?


What's the difference between repairing a car and building one yourself? If you're going to have to replace some parts anyway, why not build the whole thing yourself?
#38 Sep 05 2012 at 11:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why not public school and fill in the gaps at home? Best of both worlds.


Not much of an answer, but a lot of times I think it comes down to simply feeling you can do better than that. Or think of it this way, if you're going to have to fill in the gaps anyway, why not just do it yourself?


What's the difference between repairing a car and building one yourself? If you're going to have to replace some parts anyway, why not build the whole thing yourself?


They don't have like "build your own airplane" kits or anything either I suppose? Certainly it's not for everyone, but if you feel you have the appropriate skill set why not consider it?
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I think the argument is the belief that there aren't many people who actually do have the skill set, but believe that they do. It's manageable in lower levels, but it becomes unrealistic as the child gets older. "Anyone" can read a textbook, assign classwork/homework and give/grade tests, but that doesn't make you a teacher.
#40 Sep 05 2012 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think the argument is the belief that there aren't many people who actually do have the skill set, but believe that they do.


I don't doubt this one bit.
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#41 Sep 05 2012 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
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I think the argument is the belief that there aren't many people who actually do have the skill set, but believe that they do.


I don't doubt this one bit.

We're just offering our "thoughts and opinions on it" for consideration here, not implying that all of them apply to you and your wife, of course.
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I have to agree, lower levels sure, I could manage that no problem. Even most of the higher level stuff I could do. Something like grade 12 English I would have difficulty with. Not because I suck at English necessarily, I could understand and assign the work no problem, correct grammar etc, I just wouldn't have any frame of reference to grade an essay with. "Is this well written for grade 12 or do I need to nitpick?"

There's a big difference between understanding/applying knowledge and being able to effectively teach someone else that knowledge. I can understand/apply just about everything I come across with varying levels of effort but I couldn't teach someone else how to do that. Particularly if they don't think the way I do.
#43 Sep 05 2012 at 11:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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We're just offering our "thoughts and opinions on it" for consideration here, not implying that all of them apply to you and your wife, of course.


You... you... mean you do love me? Smiley: crymore

Oh no, I know. But as to what Alma said, or at least what I think he was trying to say, I agree there's a lot of people who think they can homeschool well who really can't, or something. Heck we may even be among them, we'll just have to see. For all I know this could fizzle in a year or two. Smiley: lol
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While I can definitely see the benefits of home school, you absolutely have to figure out a way to ensure your kids spend time with other children, and not just outside the classroom. I knew a few home-schooled kids in college, and they had absolutely no idea how to handle a classroom dynamic. The power play between students and the professor, reading the mood to know when it was and was not appropriate to ask a question, etc. Homeschooling often ends up as more of a conversation, which is super constructive, but totally different from normal lecture or discussion.

I don't know if this is a thing or not, but I remember there being one or two homeschooled kids in my school growing up. I distinctly remember one year where we had our specials lesson (language, art, computers, etc. depending on the day of the week), followed by lunch and then recess. One little boy whose name I completely forget would be there for those three periods, but for the rest of the day he was homeschooled.

Like I said, no clue if that's a viable option, either on your end or the school's, but it did (I imagine) ensure that he learned about classroom dynamics and actually interacted with the other kids, particularly since he was there for the lessons that were most commonly dependent on group work.

And I know some homeschooled kids came in after school for club activities when I was in high school.

Either way, definitely talk to the school and see what options are available, if any, for that kind of part-time inclusion. You might be able to strike a solid balance.

You both also probably want to be very proactive in the community, so they have the chance to make friends with other kids their age. That's one of the best aspects of schools for childhood development.
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#45 Sep 05 2012 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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I voted you're nuts but I've not been in a position where the schools were so bad that I had to look into other options, so I can't really say that with much objectivity.
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I think that the social interaction goes both ways though. While there's certainly the potential for a home schooled kid to miss out on some interaction skills, one of the core reasons parents tend to want to home school in the first place is to avoid the unwanted social interaction that occurs at many schools. That may result in a kid that other kids consider "weird", but a good portion of that weirdness will be that kid *not* joining in some social behaviors which may not necessarily be the best things to be doing in the first place.

As far as social interaction in general (and teaching specialties), in many communities there are organizations for home schooling, and parents interact and cooperate. Think of it as a school without a campus. They pool their resources and time and expertise. And the kids interact that way. It's not just one parent at home with one kid all the time.
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I think the argument is the belief that there aren't many people who actually do have the skill set, but believe that they do. It's manageable in lower levels, but it becomes unrealistic as the child gets older. "Anyone" can read a textbook, assign classwork/homework and give/grade tests, but that doesn't make you a teacher.


Agree. Now I feel dirty.

There's a reason there are university programs to train teachers. It's possible you can do just as well as someone with training. It's not likely. It's possible your kid is super smart and would do well with a self directed home school curriculum. It's likely, however, that if this were the case, they'd do well in the ****** school district. Harvard is full of kids that went to Dalton or Exeter or Andover, but it's also full of valedictorians from West ******** Public High School. The reality is that it doesn't matter where you send your kid prior to high school for the most part, short of it actually being a school system with frequent stabbings and crack smoking in the hallways. Save up 100k to send them to a good high school, you have plenty of time.

Alternately, make more money and move somewhere with a better public school system. Why so lazy!
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West sh*thole Public High School.


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