You should really have started a separate thread for this Alma. But I'll pay anyway! ;)
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Well, the only way to change things, would be to educate our youth. Oh, what's that? These same people who support putting extra cops in the streets to arrests black and brown men don't want to support any type of affirmative action in schools or even support the school system in general. Instead, these same people, offer school vouchers to a select few while the rest get horrible education because the people are coincidentally lumped together in zones where these students aren't going to better schools.
Please tell me that "these same people" isn't supposed to mean "conservatives/Republicans", because we want to provide school vouchers
for everyone. It's the Democrats who need to protect a bloated public school system, with its public school unions, which provide the Dems massive political benefits who block any attempt to make it easier for poor kids to get a better education.
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So, obviously, we must vote to get in office to change things! Oh, wait.. don't tell me... Yes.. it's these SAME people who rezoned residents to stay in poor schools are rezoning districts so that their vote can't take the majority.
Ah. So you are talking about Democrats. You do understand that Democrats are the ones who've held majorities in most legislatures for most of the last 50 years and are grimly trying to hold onto the artificial political advantages they've created for themselves, even while the people they've put into those districts continue to suffer increased poverty and crime.
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These are the same people who want to make it HARDER to vote to attack "voter fraud".
Yup. That's the Democrats. Great! We're on the same page.
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Even though, the statistics show that less than 1% of the votes were voter fraud, we must take every precaution. These are the same people who complain about having national gun laws because it "only affects the law abiding citizen", even though their voting ID change doesn't prevent anyone from faking a driver license, because no one ever does that!
Huh? Democrats don't tend to oppose national gun laws. They fight for them. Wait! So you think "These people" are Republicans? Cause those are the people trying to get voter ID laws passed (which btw, would make it harder to *commit* voter fraud, not hard to *attack* it). Maybe you're confused?
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No reasonable person disagrees with proving your identity prior to voting, but to require a government ID without a plan to ensure that everyone HAS a government ID IS voter suppression. Simply allowing registered people to go to the DMV to get a new official government voting card, would work. However, these same people, who are willing to spend all of this money in over packed jails are not willing to to fork over the money to ensure that everyone has government IDs.
So it's reasonable to require that people prove identity prior to voting, but it's not reasonable to actually provide an ID in order to make that requirement possible? That makes no sense. I think your problem is that you don't realize that the left really is taking the position you just said that "no reasonable person" would take. They do think it's wrong to require any form of ID to vote. Period. That's what they're fighting against. The whole business about it being too hard to get a government ID is complete BS. The states that have proposed this include in the law a completely free ID to anyone who wants one. Cost is not an issue here. It's an excuse. The Democrats want it to be easy to commit voter fraud. Which ought to speak volumes about *why* they'd want to do that.
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Furthermore, there are no reasons to end early voting and/or same day registration.
There are lots of reasons to end them. Same day registration is fraud waiting to happen. There's no time to go through the registrations to ensure that they are legitimate. Meanwhile, the person gets to vote, perhaps for the 10th time that day, perhaps with multiple false names. Who knows? Remember all the problems with bogus voter registrations when the only incentive was individuals getting bonuses for registering more people? What do you think happens when it's a tight election on the line, and the person you're registering is voting right then that day? Huge potential for fraud.
Early voting is problematic because it favors the party which receives better "free" media coverage of their positions and ideas (which would be the Democrats btw). It's not uncommon for a Democrat to be favored in polls 1-2 months before election day because of positive press, but when the Republican is able to tell his story to the public (via paid ads), things shift in the other direction. Voters who vote that far ahead of time are voting based on perceptions of the candidates from that early point. There's some value to limiting how early they can vote, if for no other reason than to prevent campaign costs from continuing to rise. Whatever the early voting cut off is, that's how far ahead of the election the candidates will have to spend money to try to sway voters. IMO, it's a good idea to ensure that as many voters as possible go into the polls with the benefit of every single bit of information that both sides have given them, so they can make the most informed decision possible.
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So with the lack of voting power, one can feel like 3/5 of a person, with sub par education, surrounded by drugs, guns and violence as a bait for cops to constantly target you as a criminal and people wonder why Martin ran? I'm being hyperbolical here, but he wasn't merely running from a rent-a-cop, but the life surroundings which taunts his life as a living nightmare.
I think that is a hell of a lot of hyperbole. One has to wonder how someone can manage to get to a voting booth on election day if they can't manage to get to a DMV office at any point during the previous 2 years to get an ID. It's a pretty ridiculous argument. Voting it not just a right; it's a responsibility too. And that means registering ahead of time. It means obtaining an ID ahead of time. I get that this might just inconvenience a party that depends on rolling into homeless shelters on election day, gathering people up with promises of free food, and busing them to the polling place to vote in order to win elections. But perhaps folks who haven't given a thought about voting until someone offers then free food in return for doing so isn't really fulfilling their civic obligation but is simply being used.
These restrictions apply equally to everyone. They're completely reasonable. And if you think this somehow more heavily affects people of color, perhaps the correct direction to go is to ask why those people are less likely to register ahead of time, or obtain a valid ID. Maybe the factors that cause those problems are more important to fix than whether we can bus them to the poling place to use their ignorance and irresponsibility in our favor on election day. One party is attempting to empower those people to make their own decisions without being coerced in any way. The other is perfectly fine with them wallowing in poverty and helplessness, so they're more easy to take advantage of. Care to guess which party is which?