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At the end of the day, our society does hold certain moral values in high regard. We care about infidelity. We care about theft. We care about bribery. We care about abuse of power. We care about abortion. And we do expect our leaders to share those same positions on those issues.
I'd not add abortion to that list.
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While this is obviously a broad brush argument, the general trend does seem to follow this pattern. It's almost like both parties know that these moral positions are important to the voters, but Democrats view them as an obstacle to be overcome, while Republicans see them as virtues to strive to meet.
I don't agree. I don't think democrats are clamoring for more and better ways to cheat on their spouses anymore than republicans are. If anything, I'd hold gay marriage up as proof that democrats are striving to eliminate infidelity...much more so than republicans anyways.
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And this attitude applies to supporters on the left and right as well. Both sides are upset when their respective leaders fail to meet those moral expectations, but it really seems like folks on the left care more about such failures to the degree that it may affect their party's power, while those on the right actually care that their leaders failed.
This is just your thick, dense mind-blinders again - ignore it.
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It's related to something I've spoken about in the past. To me, one of the big differences in how liberals and conservatives view politics, is that liberals are ends driven, while conservatives are means driven. Liberals care about the end goal/outcome. Everything along the way is an obstacle to those ends. So a Democrat politician getting embroiled in a scandal is a problem for liberals because it's a scandal which will make it difficult to move towards some important political end, not because of what he did. A Republican doing the same thing is a problem for conservatives because of what he did, period. We believe that how you accomplish things is as important (if not more so) than what you accomplish.
You're repeating yourself but using more words. Integrity is a human characteristic. Republican's haven't cornered the market on it - sorry.
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I suppose it's also tied into the idea that conservatives are innately distrustful of government. It's why we don't want it to have too much power, even when our guys are wielding it.
Thanks for the laugh.
Anyone who's ever had a civics class knows that the government should always operate under heavy scrutiny. Just say that Republicans tend to be more paranoid. Though I'd still dispute it.
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We believe that if someone can't be trusted in their personal lives and actions, they probably can't be trusted in their professional/political lives either.
yeah thanks, 'we' believe that too.
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Liberals seem to believe (foolishly IMO) that it's ok for a politician to lie, cheat, steal, etc as long as they're doing so "for the cause" so to speak.
No they don't. But thanks for saying the same wrong thing in like three different ways.
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I think that the problem with that is that if he's willing to lie to the other guys to get what he wants, why do you assume he's not lying to you as well?
Yes, repetition.
Let me bring you back to a thread about two would be lawmakers running against each other. The video clearly showed the scenario; A debate. One debater held up pictures of the other and attempted to humiliate her for going shopping and wearing a nice outfit. This was his path to win an election. Is this an ok 'means' to you? (say yes as you defended his behavior).