Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Sigh. I hate homosexuals exactly as much as I hate [...] (which is to say, not at all)
Explains all the comparisons to pe
dophiles and drug abusers and felons.
"All the comparisons"? I made one comparison. You complained about it, and I replaced that comparison with a list of other comparisons. Yet, you continue to ignore those and focus on just that first set. If your argument is valid it should work against those other comparisons I used, and the fact that you keep moving away from them suggests you know your argument isn't valid.
I'll ask again: Why should we add sexual orientation to the list of criteria protected from discrimination but *not* add height, or weight, or hairstyle, foot size, body odor, or any of a thousand other random things we might include? I've asked this question over and over and none of you have an answer. That should be a huge hint to you that you're missing something.
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To be fair, I don't think you directly hate them. I think a good percentage of your political party does and you work hard to rationalize that in a manner besides "These people hate gays" and go from there.
I think a very small percentage of the population hates homosexuals. I think a roughly equal percentage of those people fall into both the GOP and Democratic parties. I don't believe that this group has any more influence over the positions of the GOP than it does for the Democrats. Statistically, African Americans are much more likely to overtly express negative or even homophobic feelings and take action on those feelings than any other group in our nation. African Americans overwhelmingly vote Democrat. Clearly, homophobia and/or hatred of homosexuals does not outweigh other political factors when people make voting decisions Joph. So suggesting that hatred for gays is somehow a special feature of the GOP is not just wrong, but unfair to the entire issue.
Conservatives oppose special treatment within our laws for *everyone*, not just that one group of people you liberals are trying to highlight right at this moment. I keep trying to make you see this by asking about other groups that you aren't fighting for right now. See, for a conservative there's no difference. It's not about me opposing something for homosexuals, but me opposing it for *everyone*. But for you liberals, it's about one group that you're focusing on at the moment. You've decided that you like that group and feel you must provide some benefit to that group to show that you like them (or at least that you don't hate them).
As a conservative, I think that's a completely backwards way to look at things, and causes these issues to become incredibly arbitrary and subject to unfair application.
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They compare them to pedophiles and rapists because they hate them and you do it because it's just what you're taught.
You're kidding, right? Who's "they"? You're making a crazy unsustainable claim Joph. It's laughable. You believe that conservatives must oppose some benefit you want to bestow on a group because you've justified that benefit on the basis of being "for" or "against" the group. Conservatives do not make decisions on that basis. How many times do I have to explain this?