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#52 Dec 12 2013 at 8:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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I mean, just saying "I know you are but what am I?" isn't much of an argument.
Add twelve questions, eight of which are rhetoric, allude to facts then claim logic is the same thing, and finally point out how after years of doing so that no one explains otherwise. Now apparently it's an argument.
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#53 Dec 12 2013 at 9:05 PM Rating: Decent
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This is what he's projecting Joph. Do I really need to spell it out to you?


This in an interesting theory aside from the minor caveat that you're a racist and I'm not.


Interesting how strongly you need to make that point. And yet, you are the one who injected racial assumptions into this thread. Hmmm...


Yup. Sounds like projection. Remember when someone pointed out that there was no mention of the skin color of the teen in the story? So your own racial assumptions drive you to assume that the rich kid must be white, and if he were black the outcome would be different. And if he were poor and black, they would be even moreso. And when I pointed out that you were doing this (and were wrong about it too boot!), you called me a racist. I can only assume out of some need to point the finger, somewhere, anywhere other than at yourself.

But you're not a racist, right?

Edited, Dec 12th 2013 7:06pm by gbaji
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#54 Dec 12 2013 at 9:06 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:

This is what he's projecting Joph. Do I really need to spell it out to you?


This in an interesting theory aside from the minor caveat that you're a racist and I'm not.


Interesting how strongly you need to make that point. And yet, you are the one who injected racial assumptions into this thread. Hmmm...


Yup. Sounds like projection. Do we just forget that it was you who injected racial assumptions into the discussion? Remember when someone pointed out that there was no mention of the skin color of the teen in the story? So your own racial assumptions drive you to assume that the rich kid must be white, and if he were black the outcome would be different. And if he were poor and black, they would be even moreso.

But you're not a racist, right?

That's not racist, that's realist.
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#55 Dec 12 2013 at 9:09 PM Rating: Good
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It's racist to acknowledge the disparity in the justice system, and how it would likely affect the outcome given a role reversal.

It's _not_ racist to just say that it's their own fault and they deserve everything they get.
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#56 Dec 12 2013 at 9:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Yup. Sounds like projection.

It doesn't. Of the two of us, I think I'm probably more qualified to diagnose here. Could maybe plausibly sound like some sort of paranoid delusion that everyone but me was a racist or some other pathology, but projection would require me demonstrating obviously to other impartial observers that I were racist. That clearly isn't occurring. Occams razor and all that, you could just be a scared white guy who hates black people. Just own it, why the determination to not be racist? Who cares?
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TirithRR wrote:
It's racist to acknowledge the disparity in the justice system, and how it would likely affect the outcome given a role reversal.


Sarcasm aside, when this leads someone to make assumptions about the outcomes that don't match the reality, then it does become racist. Doubly so if you advocate for some counterbalancing socio-economic policies as a result (which I'm assuming we can all agree Smash absolutely does). And one might argue that this is a mistake or action deriving from ignorance of the facts, but Smash's assumptions weren't just based on ignorance, they were willfully ignorant. Smash responded angrily at the mere suggestion that his assumptions about the racial outcomes might not be correct.
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#58 Dec 12 2013 at 9:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Sarcasm aside, when this leads someone to make assumptions about the outcomes that don't match the reality, then it does become racist. Doubly so if you advocate for some counterbalancing socio-economic policies as a result (which I'm assuming we can all agree Smash absolutely does). And one might argue that this is a mistake or action deriving from ignorance of the facts, but Smash's assumptions weren't just based on ignorance, they were willfully ignorant. Smash responded angrily at the mere suggestion that his assumptions about the racial outcomes might not be correct.

My assumption was that a black kid who ran over 4 people would go to jail. Has this been demonstrated not to be the case?
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#59 Dec 13 2013 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
And yet, you are the one who injected racial assumptions into this thread. Hmmm...

You don't get a pass simply because Smash used the word 'black' in this thread before you did. You were very clearly injecting racial assumptions into your argument as well - til you flipflopped.


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#60 Dec 13 2013 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good
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There are no minors driving cars without a liscenced adult in the front seat next to them over here. No, you don't get to drive yourself to high school. No, your car won't ever be a status symbol in school. because you can't own one that you can drive in public until you're 18. But you aren't ever going to kill someone with your car until you're old enough to take the adult consequences.

However In America theoretically children are driving long before they are drinking. This is good. Over here legal solo driving coincides with legal buying of alcohol... although Probationary Drivers aren't allowed to drive with any alcohol in their system whatsoever. They have to blow 0.00 b/a. But you know, they can gamble on not getting caught driving with blood alcohol.
#61 Dec 13 2013 at 9:55 AM Rating: Good
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This story reached the backwoods....and it came with a picture. The boy does indeed appear to be white - at least he's not black. He looks like a jerk. Lock him up.
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#62 Dec 13 2013 at 10:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lock him up for that douche expression.
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#63 Dec 13 2013 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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Huh, Texas. I was kind of expecting Arizona.
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#64 Dec 13 2013 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
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There are no minors driving cars without a liscenced adult in the front seat next to them over here. No, you don't get to drive yourself to high school. No, your car won't ever be a status symbol in school. because you can't own one that you can drive in public until you're 18. But you aren't ever going to kill someone with your car until you're old enough to take the adult consequences.

Unless you live in Darwin or Alice Springs, but **** those drunk abos.
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#65 Dec 13 2013 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Aripyanfar wrote:
There are no minors driving cars without a liscenced adult in the front seat next to them over here. No, you don't get to drive yourself to high school. No, your car won't ever be a status symbol in school. because you can't own one that you can drive in public until you're 18. But you aren't ever going to kill someone with your car until you're old enough to take the adult consequences.

However In America theoretically children are driving long before they are drinking. This is good. Over here legal solo driving coincides with legal buying of alcohol... although Probationary Drivers aren't allowed to drive with any alcohol in their system whatsoever. They have to blow 0.00 b/a. But you know, they can gamble on not getting caught driving with blood alcohol.

For some reason that brings Good Will Hunting to mind: "Now that you're old enough to drink, we thought the best thing was to get you a car."
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#66 Dec 13 2013 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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Same judge gave a black 14 year old 10 years for involuntary. Also gave another 10 years for armed robbery with a pellet gun. Slightly more outraged than previously, but not surprised.
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#67 Dec 13 2013 at 1:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Inconsistency is bad.
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#68 Dec 13 2013 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
Inconsistency is bad.

Yeah except the cases being mentioned are different than this one.

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#69 Dec 13 2013 at 1:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Inconsistency is bad.

Yeah except the cases being mentioned are different than this one.

No two cases are the same?
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#70 Dec 13 2013 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
Elinda wrote:
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Inconsistency is bad.

Yeah except the cases being mentioned are different than this one.

No two cases are the same?

If the dam crooks would be more uniform in their criminal acts, sentencing would be much easier.
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#71 Dec 13 2013 at 1:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Elinda wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Inconsistency is bad.

Yeah except the cases being mentioned are different than this one.

No two cases are the same?

If the dam crooks would be more uniform in their criminal acts, sentencing would be much easier.
And people are different ages too. What's up with that? What we need is some biblical justice, judge should have to run over bad parents and kids with a red pickup truck while the radio is blaring the star-spangled banner. Because that's what Moses would have done.
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#72 Dec 13 2013 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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This story reached the backwoods....and it came with a picture. The boy does indeed appear to be white - at least he's not black. He looks like a jerk. Lock him up.


The first link in the Gawker story has a news clip with a shot of the kid walking into the courtroom.
#73 Dec 13 2013 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
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I haven't researched this extensively...or at all, actually, but is it safe to assume his parents have basically avoided mention safely hidden behind their Ducktales like piles of gold coins? So to speak.
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