His Excellency Aethien wrote:
I feel deeply sorry for your coworkers if you argue with them in the same way you do here.
I'm more PC at work and depending on the environment, I try to give points on both side of the argument.
Gbaji wrote:
The odds that an actual person who existed anywhere other than in your own head would respond in this way to the statement before it is as close to zero as you can get. Really? Why would anyone say this? First off, your own statement is complete nonsense. That anyone would happen to respond to that nonsense with exactly the "wrong" nonsense answer seems incredibly unlikely.
The more likely response would be "Huh? What the hell are you talking about? That makes no sense."
You can't accuse people of the same "nonsense" that you claim doesn't exist.
Gbaji wrote:
Corporations pay their workers what the labor market will bear. When government steps in and gets involved, it can affect that market. And in some cases, it affects the market negatively. Corporations don't take into account whether or not government assistance programs exist when deciding how much to pay people.
Yes, it can affect the market. More people start buying more stuff which equates to more business.
Gbaji wrote:
People may take those factors into account when choosing to accept a job for a given wage, which may in turn cause wages to become lower in some industries where government benefits can/do pick up the slack, but that is not something the employer causes.
So you are saying that people turn down BETTER paying jobs for worse because the government will provide subsidies? "I don't want to make a lot of money, I want to earn less and receive subsidies from the government to barely get by!"
Gbaji wrote:
And yes, that can mean that in some industries wages would be higher if government assistance wasn't available, but again, that's not a choice of the employer, but a collective choice by the employees reacting to the presence or absence of government assistance. If there's no government assistance then everyone has to seek payment sufficient to pay for their own subsistence at a minimum. This will tend to drive up wages at the low end. It's only when some are willing to accept lower payment that it is driven down. And this can happen anytime someone is in the labor market who is not dependent on that wage for their livelihood (so supported to some degree by some method other than their own labor). This can be a minor entering the workforce, but still living under their parents roof, or it can be someone who's receiving government food and housing assistance.
Complete and utter BS. Employers will ALWAYS pay what they can get away with, regardless if there is a minimum wage or not. If there were no minimum wages, those people working at McDonalds would be paid less than what they are now.