Gbaji wrote:
Are you kidding? Father hears noises or is told about noises coming from his teen daughters room. He bursts in with his gun
The latest news report says that he did not go in the room with his gun, but that he left the room AFTER confrontation to get his gun. Since I've seen various contradicting versions, I'm not sure if that's true.
Gbaji wrote:
to see a hulking figure in there (did you look at the picture of the 17 year old in the article?). He points his gun at demands to know what's going on. Daughter tells the father that she doesn't know who this huge man is in her bedroom at 2AM is. Father tells the intruder to stay still while he calls the cops. Intruder doesn't stay still. Bam.
Where did you get that information? Most sources state that there was an argument, not a "stop while I call the cops". I think you're looking at the dad and not the boy. The boy is skinny. The dad is fat.
Gbaji wrote:
I'm sorry. It's a tragic set of circumstances, but I totally do not blame the father at all for doing what he did. He had every reason in the world to think that this guy was an intruder in his daughters room, presumably there to rape/kill her.
Yet, no one has yet presented a reason to think the guy was an intruder to rape/kill his daughter.
Gbaji wrote:
No moreso than any other parent. I think most parents have a blind spot in this regard. Doubly so for a 16 year old daughter. We can't make assumptions about what the father did or didn't know about his daughters sexual activity.
Which was the point of the statement. Obviously you didn't read.
Gbaji wrote:
Again, it's about what the father knew when he fired. Is he supposed to be a mind reader or something?
Of course not, just use common sense. There was no evidence provided to support the notion that his daughter was being raped and/or assaulted.
Gbaji wrote:
The fact that he sneaked in kinda suggests that he knew that the head of the household didn't know he was there. That was the point, right? So yeah, he is taking a risk doing that. If he'd been at the house for dinner with the whole family and the father had said "Sure. Stay the night in my daughters room", and then had shot him in this manner, there would be more suspicion about his reasons for doing so (just like the Bladerunner case). But that's not what happened.
As stated... not supposed to be there isn't the same as not having permission. Would he be charged with anything if he didn't die? There is no additional suspicion with Blade Runner because he felt threatened as well. That's the same exact reason why the father shot the kid NOT BECAUSE HE WAS IN THE HOUSE. If that were true, he would have shot him immediately like Blade Runner did. BR didn't have a conversation with his girlfriend before shooting her.
Gbaji wrote:
Uh. As several people have pointed out, the mere presence of someone in the house who the father does not know gives him legal grounds to shot.
I can't believe you would kill a 5 year old!
Gbaji wrote:
If I hear sounds coming from my living room, and I go to investigate and there's someone I've never seen before in my living room, I'm under zero obligation to even engage that person in conversation.
Was this person with a family member or just wandering around alone?
Gbaji wrote:
I can legally simply shoot the intruder. In this case, the father could have simply burst in, seen some stranger with his daughter and shot him and been legally in the right. Taking the time to ask a few questions and find out what's going on was not even necessary in this case.
The lesson is that if you want to legally be in someone's house you need to make sure that you're openly invited there. One person sneaking you in doesn't count. You're still an intruder. Everyone who lives in a house needs to know you are there.
So, does your roommate have to ask your permission to invite their friends? If your roommate invite a friend that you never met, are you authorized to shoot with no questions if you come home and see the person alone, not knowing that your roommate is in the bathroom? Or better yet, if your roommate is watching a game with the stranger and you ask "who's this". If your roommate says "I don't know", are you authorized to kill with no questions?