angrymnk wrote:
gbaji wrote:
If you really want to blame someone for the plight of the Palestinian people, blame Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. Not Israel.
Yes, and since offense is best defense, being overwhelmingly defensive is not always the best approach.
Huh? Why not blame Canada? How about Germany? Or UK?
Um... Because those countries didn't attack the nation of Israel in an attempt to destroy it on the first day of it's existence? You do understand that immediately after the British Mandate ended, a coalition of Arab states sent military forces into the brand new nation of Israel with the express intent of destroying the whole thing and turning it into one Arab state instead?
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How about we stop trying to blame actors different than the actual sides to the conflict?
Like Egypt, Syria, and Jordan? Sure.
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Egypt... yeah, because Israel never did anything to **** them off. Lavon affair never happened.
Not at the time when Egypt first sent forces in to destroy Israel, no. Please tell me you are aware that Egypt (and all the other bordering Arab states) sent military forces into Israel to try to wipe it out
in 1948. The Lavon affair occurred in 1954 IIRC, and constituted a series of frankly amateurish attacks that were less damaging (and far less fatal) than those committed by the Weather Underground here in the US. That's hardly equivalent to launching a full scale military attack on another nation, is it?
And again, one happened before the other. You kinda can't say that Egypt attacked Israel because of the Lavon affair. We could argue the other way around though. So what was your point again? That Egypt (and Syria and Jordan) had no reason to attack Israel other than just not liking Jews and not wanting a Jewish state. They could not accept a solution in which both a Jewish Palestinian state and an Arab Palestinian state would exist. They wanted only an Arab state there. What is that if not antisemitism?
And while we can point to various actions back and forth over the years, that fact has ruled the entire conflict. The Arab "side" desires nothing short of the absence of a Jewish state in the region. Period. The Israelis have repeatedly shown a willingness to share the land and allow both sides to have their own state. So yeah, even if I don't agree with every single action the Israelis have taken over the years, they are the far more reasonable side.