Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
No. Debate how it's not an advertisement saying "send your children to the US and we wont deport them".
Oh. Well, probably because the policy only applies to children who have been continuously in the US since 2007 so anyone showing up now is about seven years too late. That was easy!
Except that it send the message that if you come here illegally...
The policy pertains to people here prior to 2007.
The "policy" is that we grant amnesty to anyone who came here as a minor and has lived here for X number of years without committing a felony or major misdemeanor. The specifics of this one instance of that policy reflect years between 2007 and 2012. But when you couple that with a number of Obama speeches calling for an extension of this program, and passage of a DREAM Act (which would also make this sort of thing ongoing), and it's not hard to figure out why unaccompanied minors are showing up in droves. They all want to get here before the next cut off happens.
You can't possibly actually not be able to see this.
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Going back to your ice cream analogy, what you're arguing here is that if I throw a birthday party for my kid and invite ten of his friends, and then 10 more kids show up uninvited, so I decide to give them ice cream, and then ten more kids from the neighborhood show up and say "Hey, free ice cream", the only logical course of action is to stop having birthday parties.
Made some slight alterations to your analogy.
Do you see how no one would be stupid enough to fail to realize that the second group of 10 uninvited kids showed up because you gave ice cream to the first 10 who were uninvited but received ice cream anyway? That's what's going on here. And no, I'm not saying you must stop having birthday parties, but that the correct action was to not give ice cream to the first 10 kids who showed up uninvited. Not because you're cruel or mean or anything, but because you're smart enough to realize that unless you have enough ice cream for every kid in town, you have to create a cut off somewhere, and to be arbitrary about it is far more cruel than just sticking to a fixed "if you weren't invited you don't get ice cream" rule.
What Obama is doing is saying that the rules say one thing, but he's going to bend them, just for the set of kids that are right in front of him. What this does is tell every other kid that if they put themselves in that position of being right in front of him, he'll make the same decision for them as well. What's cruel about this is that in order to put themselves in front of Obama to receive his benevolent rule bending, they have to risk their lives first. So by doing that, Obama is causing hundreds of thousands of kids to put their lives at risk. And we only have data on the number who have arrived and sought out asylum (which is about 50k so far this year and expected to hit 100k by years end). We have no way of knowing how many minors have died, or been captured, sold into slavery and prostitution, or any of a number of horrible fates while seeking Obama's rule bending.
That's why you don't freaking do that in the first place.
EDIT: Oh. And to make the ice cream analogy numbers more accurate, it's more like 1 kid showed up uninvited, and you gave him free ice cream, cause it's just one kid. Then 10 more kids showed up seeking free ice cream. And now you've got a problem. Before you would have just inconvenienced the one kid who showed up and was turned away without ice cream and ended the whole thing. Now there's 10 times more kids who will have wasted a trip if you turn them away. But... if you give them all ice cream, how many kids will show up next? The scary thing is that I can guarantee you that right now the Obama team is trying to figure out how to grant amnesty to the minors who've shown up. They don't want to appear to be mean by deporting them. But if they don't? We're going to see this sort of crisis happening more often and in greater numbers. And the cost in lives will be that much greater as well. He's not helping by trying to be nice about this.
Edited, Jul 8th 2014 6:35pm by gbaji