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#1827 Nov 02 2016 at 9:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why are there still people in Flint? Just move already, the problem isn't going away. Smiley: oyvey

Edited, Nov 1st 2016 12:23pm by someproteinguy


Read too many Shaw's quotes on adaptation?
Naw man, you just don't let the government try and solve your problems. Oh no I have stuff in my water! Oh no the Russians are coming! Oh no rich people are winning life! Oh no people won't let me use the bathroom I want!

**** that, a shotgun solves all those problems. Open carry FTW.
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#1828 Nov 02 2016 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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Cost of living, cost of travel, housing costs, family and friends, job market, interest in actually moving ...
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#1829 Nov 02 2016 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well when the alternative is slowly poisoning yourself to death...

Edited, Nov 2nd 2016 11:00am by someproteinguy
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#1830 Nov 02 2016 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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Well when the alternative is slowly poisoning yourself to death...

Edited, Nov 2nd 2016 11:00am by someproteinguy


Are you saying they have a drinking problem?
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#1832 Nov 02 2016 at 3:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well when the alternative is slowly poisoning yourself to death...

Edited, Nov 2nd 2016 11:00am by someproteinguy


Are you saying they have a drinking problem?
It is Michigan.

Edited, Nov 2nd 2016 2:59pm by someproteinguy
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#1833 Nov 02 2016 at 6:45 PM Rating: Good
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Jim Wright has once again posted a excellent essay on my he will vote for Hillary Clinton, though as a Navy vet white guy, raised in a conservative mid west town, he should be a typical Trump supporter.

Really even if Trump wasn't the GOP nominee, he wouldn't vote for a Republican.

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#1834 Nov 02 2016 at 8:52 PM Rating: Good
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Edited, Nov 2nd 2016 8:53pm by Bijou
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#1835 Nov 03 2016 at 9:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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The "if you don’t like my choice, then you should have given me better options" ending pretty much sums up this political season in general.

Also, WTF happened yesterday? Suddenly Weiner is sexting with underage girls and the FBI is in hot water for leaking a victims information? Something, something, don't cross Hillary it seems.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2016 8:12am by someproteinguy
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#1836 Nov 03 2016 at 9:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Suddenly Weiner is sexting with underage girls and the FBI is in hot water for leaking a victims information?

???

No idea.
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#1837 Nov 03 2016 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dunno either, hence the questions. It was in a BBC article I was skimming this morning about the election.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2016 8:44am by someproteinguy
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#1838 Nov 03 2016 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
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Why are there still people in Flint? Just move already, the problem isn't going away. Smiley: oyvey
I thought they were on a contract to have a new water company come in like next year and were just having problems because the last one ****** them over and bailed early, leaving them stuck with awful local sources.

My understanding is that they actively decided to change their water supply from the Detroit municipal supply to their own local plant filtering from the Flint river to save a few bucks, but didn't take into account how dirty the river was and how the new water source would react with their aging pipes, resulting in massive internal pipe rust and iron content.

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Also, WTF happened yesterday? Suddenly Weiner is sexting with underage girls and the FBI is in hot water for leaking a victims information?

Weiner has been under investigation for allegedly sexting an underage girl (and allegedly knowing about it). This investigation is where they discovered new e-mails potentially related to the Clinton private e-mail server investigation. I hadn't heard about the leak of any victim information.
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I guess the "open letter" from the teenager says that she's getting harassed by media now. She's blaming the FBI for leaking details about her personal information which made it possible for the media to identify and locate her.
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#1840 Nov 03 2016 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
Why are there still people in Flint? Just move already, the problem isn't going away. Smiley: oyvey
I thought they were on a contract to have a new water company come in like next year and were just having problems because the last one ****** them over and bailed early, leaving them stuck with awful local sources.

My understanding is that they actively decided to change their water supply from the Detroit municipal supply to their own local plant filtering from the Flint river to save a few bucks, but didn't take into account how dirty the river was and how the new water source would react with their aging pipes, resulting in massive internal pipe rust and iron content.
That's possible, though I do vaguely remember Detroit dicking them over by cutting the contract early being part of the problem.

Edit: Yeah, they were going to build a new pipe and Detroit cut them off before they could build it, forcing them to use the old one, which was old and dying.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2016 12:43pm by Poldaran
#1841 Nov 03 2016 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I guess the "open letter" from the teenager says that she's getting harassed by media now. She's blaming the FBI for leaking details about her personal information which made it possible for the media to identify and locate her.


Which is interesting, since I haven't seen a single story on any media outlet even talking about her, other than in a past tense "this is happening, because they have his laptop, because he sexted a teenage girl a year or so ago". The focus has been entirely on the backup of his wife's email on the laptop itself, and how it ties into Clinton's missing/deleted emails, and not at all on the initial victim. I'll give my usual caveat that I'm hardly avidly following political news these days, but I've heard lots of talk on the news about the emails that were found, and not one mention of anything about the girl Wiener texted (other than that she existed, I suppose).

Doesn't mean that there aren't reporters following up that angle, I suppose. But it's hardly something that's risen to the level of broad public awareness as she seems to suggest.
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#1842 Nov 04 2016 at 8:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Doesn't mean that there aren't reporters following up that angle, I suppose. But it's hardly something that's risen to the level of broad public awareness as she seems to suggest.
I'd imagine writing an open letter like that was probably a clear enough signal to convince any reputable media source that was poking around to go away. Given there's laws about protecting child victims and all that, and if they went full-on harassing her there'd probably be major fallout in public perception for the media outlet along with the legal trouble.

I'm more-or-less taking this as a sign there's still some degree of humanity left in the world. Which is rather refreshing to see during election season.
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Doesn't mean that there aren't reporters following up that angle, I suppose. But it's hardly something that's risen to the level of broad public awareness as she seems to suggest.
I'd imagine writing an open letter like that was probably a clear enough signal to convince any reputable media source that was poking around to go away. Given there's laws about protecting child victims and all that, and if they went full-on harassing her there'd probably be major fallout in public perception for the media outlet along with the legal trouble.


Seemed more to me like it was about finding another reason to bash the FBI for re-opening the investigation into Clinton by finding a really obscure way to tie their action to harassment of the victim of Wiener's actions. Even in the letter, she acknowledges that it was Wiener who provided information that reporters used to track her down, but somehow it's the FBI's fault? Smiley: confused

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I'm more-or-less taking this as a sign there's still some degree of humanity left in the world. Which is rather refreshing to see during election season.


Maybe. From my admittedly jaded conservative viewpoint, it looks a lot more like the usual method of using a victim for political advantage (or cover in this case). Which is kinda a standard op in the Dem political playbook. She was victimized by a Democratic politician in the first place. She was victimized further by the same Democratic politician by having clues to her identity released. But somehow it's the FBI being blamed, I suppose only coincidentally after taking an action which harms a Democratic politician in an election.

I can't help but assume that if the FBI had found emails between Wiener wife and Trump on that laptop, with potentially incriminating information about Trump on it, and had opened (or reopened) an investigation based on that, and Wiener had taken the exact same action as he did here, the blame would not be on Wiener, nor on the FBI, but on Trump for, I suppose, allowing his emails to be on Wiener's laptop, which fell into the FBI's hands, which was later found and commented, which caused Wiener (I guess?) to leak some clues about his original victim, of course, making it all Trumps fault. Right? Cause that's how logic works on the left side of politics.


Or we could, and I'm just talking crazy here, maybe just look at the emails found on the laptop as a completely separate thing that ought to have no bearing at all on the case involving Wiener and his sexting of the teenage girl, and act on that. I suppose that would require some humanity. And rationality.
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Wait, Gbaji just jumped from "I haven't seen any stories about this girl" to "She must have been paid off by Democratic operatives to write a fake letter in order to attack the FBI and defend Democrats"?

Did your mother not hold you enough as an infant or something?
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She did...by the ankle, at arms length
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Dipped into the river polityx to guard against bipartisanship?
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Meanwhile, Trump got grounded from Twitter by his campaign. Who apparently think he should be trusted with the nation, but can't be trusted with a social media account.
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The tweets he was sending to Jon Stewart are quality.
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