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#2202 Jan 26 2017 at 4:09 PM Rating: Good
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Steve Bannon Says the News Media should keep it's mouth shut. NYTimes story on his remarks

I first saw this on Twitter and it's getting a lot of attention.

Also the Doomsday Clock is 30 seconds closer to Midnight.
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#2203 Jan 26 2017 at 6:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also the Doomsday Clock is 30 seconds closer to Midnight.

We're almost...

TWO!

Minutes!

To miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidniiiiiiiiiiiiiight!


But seriously, I couldn't care less about those pretentious cnuts and their clock.
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#2204 Jan 26 2017 at 9:01 PM Rating: Good
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Canada has officially closed its borders to fleeing Democrats. You made this mess, you ******* live with the repercussions of the next 4 years.
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#2205 Jan 26 2017 at 9:13 PM Rating: Good
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Canada has officially closed its borders to fleeing Democrats. You made this mess, you ******* live with the repercussions of the next 4 years.


No. You guys better open them back up. We don't want Raven here either...
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We'll consider it in the NAFTA re-negotiations.
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Canada has officially closed its borders to fleeing Democrats. You made this mess, you ******* live with the repercussions of the next 4 years.

Are we going to have to pay for your wall?
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#2209 Jan 27 2017 at 7:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Canada has officially closed its borders to fleeing Democrats. You made this mess, you ******* live with the repercussions of the next 4 years.



Glad I squeaked in under the slowly-descending garage door, then. A couple of friends have invited me to stay indefinitely should the need arise. I'd just have to decide between Edmondton, Montreal, or Trump's apocalyptic hell on earth.
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#2210 Jan 27 2017 at 8:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can't believe h e l l is censored. That's... not offensive at all. PREACHERS say hell.
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Not HERE they don't, Missy Smiley: mad
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#2212 Jan 27 2017 at 9:02 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Are we going to have to pay for your wall?
We can just take the wall Mexico is so totally going to pay for and build it a little further north.
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I can't believe h e l l is censored. That's... not offensive at all. PREACHERS say ****.
Tell google adsense that Everyone Poops, because apparently they didn't get the memo.

Edited, Jan 27th 2017 12:13pm by lolgaxe
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Glad I squeaked in under the slowly-descending garage door, then. A couple of friends have invited me to stay indefinitely should the need arise. I'd just have to decide between Edmondton, Montreal, or Trump's apocalyptic **** on earth.
Montreal.
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#2215 Jan 27 2017 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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That's some delay.
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#2216 Jan 27 2017 at 6:54 PM Rating: Decent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Also how magnets memes work.
Well that and I'm now stuck thinking about applying Trump directly to my forehead for the rest of the day. Smiley: mad

Apply forehead directly to Trump!

Edited, Jan 27th 2017 7:56pm by Debalic
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[quote=Jophiel]If Clinton had won the election, do you think for a moment that the NYT would have put side by side photos showing Clinton's inauguration crowd compared to Obama's? No. They wouldn't, right?

Actually, I'd think that comparing the crowd of the first black President to that of the first female President might be interesting.

Edited, Jan 27th 2017 8:06pm by Debalic
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#2218 Jan 28 2017 at 2:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Of course they're going to count crowd sizes, they always do, and they will always show side by side, because we love comparisons and they have 24 hours to fill.

Generally a President and the administration doesn't care, because it's not something you should care about. No one else really cares either.
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#2219 Jan 29 2017 at 1:57 AM Rating: Good
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The number of people in the crowd at the inauguration is something I care about deeply. The TV said it was important.
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What do we think about Trump's executive order banning people from Syria, Iraq, Iran (lol), Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen?

Maybe Gbaji would like to defend this policy, seeing as how he voted for Trump.
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What do we think about Trump's executive order banning people from Syria, Iraq, Iran (lol), Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen?

Maybe Gbaji would like to defend this policy, seeing as how he voted for Trump.


He'll have to defend it in the same breath where he explains closing out war veterans who fought on our side don't deserve to come here.

That should be entertaining.
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What do we think about Trump's executive order banning people from Syria, Iraq, Iran (lol), Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen?


Blanket bans are stupid and all, but I find it funny that the Internet and Media are making a big deal about how Trump didn't put Saudi Arabia or Turkey, Egypt, etc. on the list. Implying it's because he does business with them. When the more accurate reasoning is it's just par for the course for how the US treats those countries compared to the others in the region.

And Iran's response ban of US Citizens. That'll show Trump. Smiley: lol

Edited, Jan 29th 2017 9:33am by TirithRR
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Kavekkk wrote:
What do we think about Trump's executive order banning people from Syria, Iraq, Iran (lol), Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen?

Maybe Gbaji would like to defend this policy, seeing as how he voted for Trump.


He'll have to defend it in the same breath where he explains closing out war veterans who fought on our side don't deserve to come here.

That isn't something that's new in the last week.
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Blanket bans are stupid and all, but I find it funny that the Internet and Media are making a big deal about how Trump didn't put Saudi Arabia or Turkey, Egypt, etc. on the list. Implying it's because he does business with them. When the more accurate reasoning is it's just par for the course for how the US treats those countries compared to the others in the region.

This is the same guy trying to start a trade war with our second largest export market and saying we should pull out of NATO. Assuming that Trump is excluding those nations primarily due to some sort of established foreign policy precedent and not due to plain self-interest seems a little naive.

Edited, Jan 29th 2017 1:28pm by Jophiel
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#2225 Jan 29 2017 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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You can't ban people from nations who were actual 9/11 hijackers, because if you don't have terror attacks, you don't get enough conservative turnout. It's not about his business interests at all!
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Jophiel wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
Blanket bans are stupid and all, but I find it funny that the Internet and Media are making a big deal about how Trump didn't put Saudi Arabia or Turkey, Egypt, etc. on the list. Implying it's because he does business with them. When the more accurate reasoning is it's just par for the course for how the US treats those countries compared to the others in the region.

This is the same guy trying to start a trade war with our second largest export market and saying we should pull out of NATO. Assuming that Trump is excluding those nations primarily due to some sort of established foreign policy precedent and not due to plain self-interest seems a little naive.
It's a damn good thing Obama signed a previous law where the list of countries it refers to just happen to be ones that aren't in Trump's self interest, then. Well, sorta.

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According to the draft copy of Trump's executive order, the countries whose citizens are barred entirely from entering the United States is based on a bill that Obama signed into law in December 2015.

Obama signed the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill. The legislation restricted access to the Visa Waiver Program, which allows citizens from 38 countries who are visiting the United States for less than 90 days to enter without a visa.

Though outside groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union and NIAC Action — the sister organization of the National Iranian American Council — opposed the act, the bipartisan bill passed through Congress with little pushback.


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(c) To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).


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12) Not present in Iraq, Syria, or any other country or area of concern
(A) In generalExcept as provided in subparagraphs (B) and (C)—
(i) the alien has not been present, at any time on or after March 1, 2011—
(I) in Iraq or Syria;
(II) in a country that is designated by the Secretary of State under section 4605(j) of title 50 (as continued in effect under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)), section 2780 of title 22, section 2371 of title 22, or any other provision of law, as a country, the government of which has repeatedly provided support of acts of international terrorism; or
(III) in any other country or area of concern designated by the Secretary of Homeland Security under subparagraph (D); and
(ii) regardless of whether the alien is a national of a program country, the alien is not a national of—
(I) Iraq or Syria;
(II) a country that is designated, at the time the alien applies for admission, by the Secretary of State under section 4605(j) of title 50 (as continued in effect under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)), section 2780 of title 22, section 2371 of title 22, or any other provision of law, as a country, the government of which has repeatedly provided support of acts of international terrorism; or
(III) any other country that is designated, at the time the alien applies for admission, by the Secretary of Homeland Security under subparagraph (D).
The reason for the "sort of" above is that most of the list depends on the designation of the Sec of State(and Trump's hasn't been confirmed) or the DHS Sec(which has). If the list has been changed in the several days between Jan 20th and Jan 27th, then sure, it's probably on Trump. But if not, then he didn't even pick the list and this is one heck of a dial back.

And now I'm over an hour past my bedtime, so I'm off to bed. If anyone wants to look up that part, go ahead. Otherwise, I'll let this drop further and say I've tried.
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