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#1 May 21 2022 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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#2 May 31 2022 at 7:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why? You're absolutely correct.

**** the Uvalde cowards. Anyone who makes excuses for them isn't worthy of the oxygen they breathe.
#3 Jun 01 2022 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Why? You're absolutely correct.

**** the Uvalde cowards. Anyone who makes excuses for them isn't worthy of the oxygen they breathe.


That is a good bait.

Retort:

Pfff, all the people upset over Uvalde wouldn't rush towards a mass shooter if their life depended on it and they expect the cops - the group they tend to vilify - to do it for them. You got to ask yourself: do you think cops hate themselves so much to die for you?

edit: to >> so

Edited, Jun 1st 2022 7:00pm by angrymnk
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#4 Jun 02 2022 at 9:57 AM Rating: Good
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You got to ask yourself: Do you think soldiers hate themselves so much to die for you?
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#5 Jun 02 2022 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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You got to ask yourself: Do you think soldiers hate themselves so much to die for you?


You put me in an admittedly difficult position ( that's what she said ). On the one hand, I am sufficiently self-centered to automatically assume that everything revolves around me, which naturally means that soldiers have died for me already. On the third hand, I don't want to default to its their job anyway as it undermines my hastily typed retort.

I am quite a pickle. I don't relish it.

What were we talking about?
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#6 Jun 03 2022 at 12:20 AM Rating: Good
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#7 Aug 30 2022 at 1:22 PM Rating: Default
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So you are blaming ALL COPS for the actions of a FEW...
How is this different than blaming ALL BLACKS/WHITES/ASIANS/GAY/DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN for the actions for a Few?

The truth is that Humans are all corrupt. So we choose our preferred version of corruption... Or reject it totally and believe in The Name of Jesus: (YHVH Is My Salvation).

The collectivist mindset is only morally logical for tyranny. To make the claim "ALL X are Y" is asinine.. as you lack all possible information about X.. whether you say "All COPS are Y" or "All BLACKS are Y"... It's the same thing.

Therefore "ACAB" is little more than a senseless, illogical, and amoral mantra for the perpetration of human versus human violence.
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#8 Aug 30 2022 at 10:11 PM Rating: Good
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If the "good cops" do nothing about the "bad cops" as is the case, then ACAB.

Leave your imaginary man in the sky out of real world conversations, it does little to improve your position.
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#9 Sep 01 2022 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
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It's interesting that if you were to draw a Venn diagram of "people who think cops are bad" and "people who support gun control", there's a very high degree of overlap

Seems self destructive if you hold both those views. Exactly what do you think should happen if you are ever confronted with a dangerous criminal threatening your life?
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#10 Sep 11 2022 at 9:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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While I don't doubt that there's some people out there who believe law enforcement is completely unnecessary and have no desire to debate by proxy for some Twitter rando, I'm confident that most people holding the idea that "cops are bad" are speaking primarily about the current state of systemic corruption and racism found throughout America's law enforcement. The goal isn't to have no police (again, sure you can find some people who want this 'cause the internet is big) but rather a restructuring and uprooting of the current entrenched system and replacing it with one that gets rid of the officers betraying their oath, and a municipal system that focuses more on addressing social and mental health issues leading to crime rather than buying military toys with the side effect that police could spend more time doing active citizen protection and law enforcement and less time acting as minimally trained social workers in domestic situations or shooting autistic kids for holding a toy car. I suppose you could throw in something about the industrial-prison state and financially incentivized incarceration.

While this is admittedly more complicated than "lol they say ACAB but then a guy will rob them!!!" it's not really that complicated and it seems like anyone above a middle school education approaching the argument honestly could quickly figure this out for themselves. Maybe I'm just overly optimistic about the state of middle school education.

Edited, Sep 11th 2022 9:43am by Jophiel
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#11 Sep 17 2022 at 4:21 AM Rating: Good
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What Joph said.
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#12 Sep 22 2022 at 10:07 PM Rating: Decent
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So in this thread, we've established that a large portion of elected Democrats in DC, liberal political pundits, and liberal journalists, have less education than the typical middle schooler.

Finally. Something we can all agree on!
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#13 Sep 25 2022 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm... sure that sounded like a real zinger in your head?
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#14 Sep 28 2022 at 4:33 PM Rating: Good
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He doesn't know how to listen to his inner monologue, he thinks it is evil voices from beyond.
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#15 Oct 05 2022 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm... sure that sounded like a real zinger in your head?


Not so much a zinger as a commentary on the sad and frankly intrinsically inconsistent and incomprehensible combination of policies put forth by said Democrat politicians and liberal journalists/pundits. There are *in fact* a number of such people have have *in fact* directly called for "defunding the police". Period. Full stop. There are *in fact* several Democrats who have actually dramatically reduced actual funding for their police departments as a result of this nonsensical position.

And the whole "replace them with social services to deal with mental health issues instead of using cops as social workers" sounds great in an academic conversation, but is not remotely what any of these same people are actually doing. If anything, in the same areas that they are pushing the most for defunding police they are simultaneously just "giving up" on the mental health social-worker side as well. Their "solution" appears to be "just let them do whatever they want". Again, the focus is more on preventing cops from doing anything in response to these problems than to actually address the problems themselves. Hence why we find ourselves with massively growing homeless encampments in most major cities, with rampant open drug use, horrific living conditions, who are allowed to urinate and defecate wherever they want, and steal whatever they want (cause the cops shouldn't harass them, right?).

Where are all these social workers that are supposed to be fixing these problems? Nowhere I guess. Oh wait! There're in court filing briefs against police departments for daring to arrest someone for shoplifting a store, or assaulting someone walking by, or randomly smashing people's property. They seem to think that enabling this behavior is the correct solution and then wonder why their cities have become even more hell holes than they already were.

It's almost like they don't get that police have to deal with these people and the crimes they commit precisely because no one else is doing it. Maybe put something else in place *first* and then decide to remove the police budgets that were funding police doing this work. That's what you'd do if those claims were legitimate claims in the first place. But we all know that they aren't. They are just playing lip service to an angry mob so they can appear to "care" about the problems. But in the course of this, as is typical of liberal policies, they are just making things worse.

The liberal "cure" is 100 times worse than the disease they are claiming to fight. Again though, that's just SOP for the left. They want and need large numbers of people who are in pain, suffering, downtrodden, etc, so they can appear to "care" and promise to "help them". Well. Until they get elected, and then they go right back to being the selfish people they always were. Actually, it's worse, since they actively put policies in place that make people more poor, more in pain, more suffering, and more downtrodden, so they can just repeat the process. .I keep waiting for the masses to wake up and realize this, but apparently good PR can cover for a lot of faults and there are a heck of a lot of really dumb suckers out there.
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#16 Oct 06 2022 at 11:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can't even pretend to care enough about whether your knickers are in a twist over ACAB to read all that and have some weird slow-motion debate.
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#17 Oct 09 2022 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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What Joph said
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#18 Oct 12 2022 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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The goal isn't to have no police (again, sure you can find some people who want this 'cause the internet is big) but rather a restructuring and uprooting of the current entrenched system and replacing it with one that gets rid of the officers betraying their oath, and a municipal system that focuses more on addressing social and mental health issues leading to crime rather than buying military toys with the side effect that police could spend more time doing active citizen protection and law enforcement and less time acting as minimally trained social workers in domestic situations or shooting autistic kids for holding a toy car. I suppose you could throw in something about the industrial-prison state and financially incentivized incarceration.


And yet, it doesn't stop you from (presumably) believing this garbage, despite a mountain of evidence that it's simply not true.

How about this simple logic Joph: If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Well, your political party has been doing an awful lot of walking and quacking like ducks over the last couple years. Claiming now that "there's no ducklike behavior going on here" is going to require a bit more than just regurgitating the same BS those same prominent liberal politicians and pundits been claiming all along while actually *doing* the exact opposite.
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#19 Oct 12 2022 at 10:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gosh, I'm ever so disappointed that I won't be convincing you that liberals aren't to blame for everything. I really thought this would be the time, too.
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#20 Oct 20 2022 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
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It's not about "all liberals". It's about one liberal (that would be you), dismissing as what "some people", or "some rando's", or "didn't graduate middle school", people who engage in behavior that you claim isn't ok, but yet is exactly what many in the very political party you keep voting for have actually done. So, not, it's not at all unfair to pin this position and belief on the Democrats as a party, and challenge you specifically for your statements. You're either utterly unaware of the positions and statements of people in your own party, or are just covering for them.

As I said earlier, if they really did honestly believe that we should do the social work stuff with social workers *instead* of police, they should first hire the social workers and put the network in place to provide this social assistance and *then* reduce the police budgets for the officer time that is no longer spent on those things. But there has been absolutely zero increase on the "fix the social issues" side of things. Just reductions in police budgets.

Which tells you that this (provide social assistance) isn't the objective, it's the excuse after folks heard the objective (defund the police), loud and clear, and reacted negatively. They got so caught up (in typical tone deaf Democrat fashion) with supporting the BLM movement, that they didn't realize that the BLM chants that they were repeating weren't actually nearly as popular among voters as they might have thought. And that's when the backpedaling began...

Edited, Oct 20th 2022 7:18am by gbaji
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#21 Oct 22 2022 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
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The more things change, the more gbaji is still boring and stupid
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#22 Oct 27 2022 at 7:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh noes. Gbaji might insist that I'm all brainwashed and naive and whatever! This seriously worries me. I better post some links and stuff so Gbaji can say they don't count ten days from now when someone looks at this thread again...
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