My LS mate cheated, is friendship have no more value?Follow

Hope everyone can help send tell to this Neemo guy whenever his online so that it will return the scorpion hardness back to my fren kwan.

He is farming so hard to get this armor and now he is so sad because cheating by a friends that he though can be trust.

Why call him? Go to his house and wring his neck instead. You should have better results ^^
Interestingly, did you guys know that in Korea, this would actually be considered the same as stealing property and therefore a crime?

Oh man...
A fellow rogue got ripped off...

/comfort Kwan

P.S. I saw you posted this on the VN boards too.

I forgot what game it was, but I remember there was a thing where something like this happened. So many people complained to their lawmakers that this actually passed. People in other countries were trying to figure out how stealing an item that doesn't exist could actually be a crime.
I thought it was pretty interesting. I am not saying we should make it a law, but SE could definitely integrate this into the user agreement using similar wording.
Now what SE could do is enable it so we could record our transactions somehow. For example, if I sought the assistance of a goldsmith to make some kind of item for me, I could record the transaction where I am handing over the materials and a fee to synthesize it. This will prevent him from taking the fee and the materials and logging, running, etc. With the recording I can inform a GM, and it can be dealt with.
The recording could be similar to the ability to record screeshots. Other than having SE log every single thing we say, there's nothing we can really do about it. *shrug*
In any case, I am sorry to hear about the loss of that harness. It's not so much about the item itself. It's about the loss of time dedicated to getting that item. All that time wasted by a hater.

hey shes actually right...

stealing- to take dishonestly and secretly
borrow- to take on loan

they're not the same but...he didn't take it on loan and hes only missing the secretly part of stealing....so what did he do?

BTW i got these definitions from webster's new world dictionary fourth edition.... not my own i was that damn bored....and if i ever see neemo i'll biotch slap him a few times for ya...

umm... ...it's stealing.

If you lend a car out to a friend under the pretense of trust and the friend then flees the country with it never to be seen again, no judge in thier right mind would say, "Sorry, you willingly handed it over... ...your loss". You have a legitimate claim to your property.

This case is very similiar...but instead of physical "property" you have intellectual "property" (as in time and energy spent aquiring the item) and the judge in this case is the Lakshmi community.

You can't tell me straight up that this guy didn't abuse the trust that was placed upon him for his own personal gain. He stole the item flat out. If this happened to you, you wouldn't be so hasty in blaming fault on the victim.

To sum it up, you don't loose your right to your hard earned item because you lent it to a friend under the pretense of trust and the friend pulls a fugaysi and boots with it. It's your item, if he doesn't return it when you want it to be returned, he is stealing. You don't need laws and courts to tell you that.

Neemo is digging his own FFXI grave IMO. It's a tight-nit community... ...word will get around.

Well... ...we'll find out for sure soon enough if it was an accidental DC or if it was intentional.

I'm not one to cast blame on anyone without solid facts, esspecially not in an internet game, that wouldn't be fair, true enough. I was merely disputing the notion that if it was intentional, it is a "long-term borrow" and not stealing. Maybe I should have worded my post differently.

It's interesting to see the different response though... ...you're right.

one of static pt member managed to talk to Neemo's girlfriend.

she said Neemo sell everything for RL cash and quits the game.

well, what to say, these things happens.

btw, thank you for all the help

Wow I never would have believed it if I hadn't read this myself. This is my first post on these boards and have used them to help me when I was confused about steps in leveling my WHM (72 now by the way, WOOT!); but I had heard that someone posted this about Neemo and it makes me very sad. First of all I know him and have PT with him a number of times he is a good player, very fair. I talk to him when he was on Lakshmii many times and this is half the reason he quit this game he told me. Nobody is sticking up for him and that makes me angry, that "cheat" did not happen like that because I remember him telling me about it and how his LS leader was no help in clearing up the whole mess to people in the LS. I hope someone can contact him and tell him to post his side of the story this is very unfair, who was actually there when this "cheat" happened?