Harry Potter book 6 ending(contains spoilers)Follow

These are the conclusions I have come too after rereading the series 3 times and discussing one numerous message boards for the last few weeks.

Definites:
1: Dumbledore is dead, he was not begging for his own life, he was begging for Snape and Malfoy's lives. He knew that Snape was going to have to kill him, and was begging him to go through with it.

2: Snape isn't evil, killing Dumbledore will bring him into Moldiemort's complete confidence, maybe even allowing him to kill him.

3: R.A.B. is Regulas A Black, Sirius' brother, the locket was mentioned in order of the phoenix as a locket in the black house that was heavy and noone could open.

4: Harry was definitly not intented to BE a horcrux but the be the sacrifice, however, the way it was described it sound like he became one unintantionally, though this doesn't really work with the prophecy, if Moldiemort and all the other horcrux's are destroyed Harry would become the new Dark Lord.

5: Harry giving up Ginny is his acceptance of the epic hero's path, the end of which is death, real or metaphorical. Wether he wins or loses Harry will leave the wizarding world. If he beats Voldemort, if he finishes him off, the world will change and he will be unable to live in it. He hates fame, and destroying the Dark lord a second time, he would never get a moments peace.

Guesses:
6: Ron and Hermoine will get married have a son and name him Harry.

7: Fleur and Bill will have a son and name him Lupin.

8: The final battle between Harry and Voldemort will either be in Godrics hollow, or the burning remains of Hogwarts castle(or just the great hall).

9: Dobby will die to save Harry's life.

10: Voldemort will show up the day Harry's protection runs out at the Dursley's, he will of course get away by apparation.

Edited, Fri Aug 5 20:35:21 2005 by Darkuwa

thats exactly wat i thought as soon as it said bout the horcrux's!!!

I also came to the conclusion that Regulus Black, Sirius`s brother, is the mystery RAB, and there`s a lot of evidence to support that.

Firstly, the note was addressed specifically to "The Dark Lord". That would suggest that whoever wrote it was a Death Eater, sonce Harry points out to Snape that only Death Eaters call Voldemort that. Secondly, Regulus is the only member of Sirius`s family to have been mentioned but not to have featured in the books, and JK seems to have gone out of her way to remind us that he used be a Death Eater, but tried to back out. Sirius says he got scared and tried to run, but as we know, Sirius has been out of contact with his family for years. Apart from that, the initials obviously fit.

Now, onto the matter of Snape and Dumbledore. Dumbledore most likely is dead, never to return, with the possible exception of forcing his echo out of Snape`s wand. As for Dumbledore begging for his life, Dumbledore probably wasn`t quite in his right mind at the time, due to the effects of the potion, which, as demonstrated in the cave, causes intense fear and pain. What interests me most about that scene is that every other Death Eater back away to clear a path for Snape, as if they were scared. Now, why would Snape kill Dumbledore? I can see several possibilities in this, and there are probably several more I haven`t seen.

Firstly, Snape is alligned to Voldemort and has been plotting this from day 1. I consider this one unlikely, since Snape protected Harry out in the grounds.

Secondly, the whole thing was framed and Dumbledore is not dead. This one is, if anything, even more unlikely.

Thirdly, Snape was forced to kill Dumbledore by the Unbreakable Vow he swore. Quite possibly the vow does not cause the bearer to die die if broken, but is exactly what it sounds like-unbreakable.

Fourthly, Dumbledore set his own death up, possibly with Snape`s knowledge. At first, this one seems unlikely in the extreme, but consider: Dumbledore makes a point that one of the most powerful weapons Harry has is his absolute determination, caused by his hatred of Voldemort. The reason for that is that Voldemort has been responsible for the deaths of his parents and Sirius. The only thing that could make him hate Voldemort more and thus make him more determined and more dangerous (barring the death of Ron, Hermione, Ginny, etc) is the death of Dumbledore himself. JK also makes the point that Dumbledore is unafraid of the sacrifice for the right cause ("The loss of hand does not seem an unreasonable exchange for a seventh of Voldemort`s soul") and that he feels that death in not such a great fear. ("To the well organised mind, death is but the next great adventure", "Once again, Voldemort fails to grasp that there are worse things than physical pain.") how about the sacrifice of his own life to give Harry the power to destroy Voldemort once and for all?

Finally, the idea of Harry`s scar as a Horcrux. I hadn`t considered this before, but it makes a lot of sense. There are a lot of similarites between Voldemort and Harry, as pointed out throughout the books. Also, as Dumbledore points out, Harry was likely to be the sacrifice needed to make Voldemort`s seventh and final Horcrux. If something were to go wrong with that process, the result could well be the transferring of a seventh of Voldemort`s soul to Harry. On the other hand, there is evidence against this. The most obvious one is that Voldemort has tried to kill Harry several times. The three possible explanations are that Voldemort is willing to sacrifice a seventh of his soul to destroy Harry (unlikely, Voldemort seems to be of an "everything or nothing" mindset, although he did put the diary at risk to reopen the Chamber of Secrets), that Harry is not the final Horcrux, or that Voldemort doesn`t know he transferred a part of his soul. However, even if Harry is the final Horcrux, that does not write out the possibility of an 8th. If Voldemort is unaware that he made a Harry a Horcrux or if he intends to destroy Harry regardless, he would want a 7th or to replace the lost one.

In closing, did anyone else think the end, with Harry breaking up with Ginny at the funeral of the man who tried to replace his father, was ripped stright out of Spider-man?

The gryffindor horcrux is probably the sword of Godric that Harry receives from the Sorting Hat in Chamber of Secrets.

I also believe that Dumbledore's death was staged. And where was Voldemort??? No appearance was surprising.

Contrary to what J.K. Rowling believes, Vin Diesel is actually the Dark Lord, Chosen One, R.A.B., Half-Blood Prince, and the missing horcrux.

Dumbledore says the snake is a horcrux. And your english was fine I think.

I still think its the scar on Harry's head. We know that someone has to die to make a horcrux. He murdered Harry's mother who was protecting Harry. I dont think Voldemort meant to make Harry a Horcrux with the scar, I think it back fired because of the old magic and it just happened by accident.

If no ones said it already, go to Dumbledore Is Not Dead
Its got perfect reasons going through the all the books, evidence of why he's not actually dead. There are so many of them!
Its little things people like myself generally don't notice, like the way "Avada Kevada" effects D. Throughout the whole series, anyone who has had he effects of the death spell has literally dropped dead on the spot, not thrown backward like D.
Also, think of what has been going on with occulmency (or whatever it is)... casting a spell inside your head rather than out loud. Even though Snape said "Avada Kevada", in his head he could've really meant "expelliarmus", as Snape is very good at Occulmency, knocking D off the tower.
The website explains more of how D actually appeard dead after that too... its a good read.

I thoroughly enjoyed the book, though bought it when it first came out...

It was a shock that Dumbledore had died... but I don think he's dead, I reread the book, and saw some things that would make it seem less likely that Dumbledore is actually dead, plus I found a ton more clues at

http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com/

Also did you see that she'll be killing off, i think it was, 2 very important characters in the next book? ZOMG

Edited, Jul 26th 2006 at 7:41pm EDT by Anzalone

Ok, old thread but good read none the less. Reading all of this... ah will have to reread the entire serie again and pay extra attention to the 'minor' details ;)

I'm still on the fence whether good ol' Dumbly is dead or not. I do think the Avada Kedavra thing might be a clue to that.

Harry being a horcrux seems a bit far fetched but as pointed out before, the making of a horcrux hasn't been explained in to details yet.

Like I said, I need to go read all those books again XD

1. Dumbledore pleads for his life. Dumbledore previously said that death is just another adventure or something like that. Why would he be afraid of dying?

2. Dumbledore prevents Harry from interferring with the events up in the tower. Why? Harry is Dumbledore's only hope. If he's so afraid to die, why not have Harry help him?

3. Snape prevents Draco from killing Dumbledore. Why? Perhaps because Draco might actually kill him.

4. According to some readers' observations, the Avada Kedavra spell animation is Snape uses is different from the one used by Voldemort.

AND

We are told that wizards can cast spells without using words, if they concentrate hard enough. We know Dumbledore can because he paralyzes Harry in the tower. And we are told Snape can as well.

Now.. Remember when Harry is chasing Snape and Snape laughs at him because he can't conjure a successful Avada? Snape says something about having to really mean the curse to cast it.

Mazra's Theory:

Snape used a "silent spell" with a somewhat similar spell effect as Avada. He said Avada Kedavra, but since he didn't mean it, he never did cast it. Dumbledore paralyzed Harry to stop him from ruining the whole setup. Snape prevents Draco from casting Avada because he knows Draco would do it to save his family and that it would kill Dumbledore. So he takes over and casts the "fake" spell.

Now, why are we lead to believe that Snape kills Dumbledore?

My thoughts: In the beginning of the book we find out that Snape promises to watch over Draco. We later on find out that Voldemort will kill Draco's father if Draco doesn't kill Dumbledore. To save Draco and his father, Dumbledore fakes his own death. By making it look like Snape killed him, Voldemort would turn his evil eye on Snape and perhaps let him inside the ranks again, giving the Phoenix Order a valuable advantage. Dumbledore pleads for his life to give the impression that Snape kills him mercilessly.

Anyways, just my thoughts.