New theme song for all you cheaters and RMT out thereFollow

Here we have another block of **** by Vanhelios. In every post you go out of your way to stroke your epeen. I was never talking about skill to begin with. Some linkshells take longer to kill stuff than others, so what? A lot of that boils down to raw playing skill, experience with a certain mob, new players to HNMs, different tactics, etc. If they're all having fun, then why should they care about your epeen BS? If you have the skills Van, then why cheat at all? I was always under the impression that people who have what it takes don't need to cheat, right?

The abilities of of these linkshells aren't what I was talking about. Some of this stuff just flies right over your head doesn't it? It's all about consideration for your fellow player. Which your LS has none. But Van, you and I both know you can't argue to save your life; seeing as how you're going off on a tangent and going back to calling everyone f@gs. Many people have a strong dislike for your leader. I wouldn't blame them if they felt the same about you as well. Seeing as how you both behave alike.

Keep flailing your arms there. You might end up hitting something.



*cracks knuckles*

1. I was hoping for at least something halfway decent. Sometimes I'm a glass-half-full type of guy. Can't blame someone for having some hope. But oh well.

2. I've known Omfg ever since he was brown-haired Tarutaru Dragoon that carried his original name. I'm very familiar with his lack of tact, and poor interpersonal skills. Moreover, I've met some of his closer friends in-game, and have read the crap they post on KI. All their posts read like they're coming from the same person. His LS mates are an obvious reflection of himself.

3. They never asked for any respect, but they don't deserve any either. Nice try with the 'I laugh at j00' card, so trite. If they weren't really upset, they wouldn't be on here calling people f@gs and b!tches. I know I've made a habit of calling some of these individuals idiots and morons, but it can't be helped. They are what they are, after all.

4. I could ask you the same question. Does it really matter if you know me or not? Yes it does concern me what happens on the HNM scene. I don't play nearly as much as I used to, but I like helping old in-game friends from time to time. And if you or Zenmetsu is peeing in their cheerios, then I have a right to be upset.

5. What difference does it make if this is KI or alla? I browse both, and most of the KI regulars are posting in this thread. Spewing the same crap no less. Different place, same-old-****.




As far as this debate goes, Zenmetsu members don't really have a leg to stand on.

First, their leader is a perpetual f*ck-up. Before he created Zenmetsu, he used to changle LSs like underwear. Usually because he was kicked from almost every one of them. The guy couldn't even go a month in a social LS before being kicked for name-calling and harassment.

I can understand becoming frustrated while offering advice and nobody listening, but there's ways of getting through stuff like that. However, using racist slang and curse words against the objects of his frustration aren't on that list.It's understandable why he would create his own LS. But the way he went about creating his LS and his LS's image is just all wrong.

Yes, he knows the game inside and out, but as a person...he just sucks. I can't speak for everyone else, but I'd rather play alongside a person who's still learning and is a nice person. As opposed to a leader who knows the game, but who is a total a$$hat.



Furthermore, Omfg can't really argue without reverting to his default behavior of name-calling. His biggest mistake was coming clean with the fact that his LS uses botting programs to claim monsters. A smart cheater would have the common sense to keep his mouth shut, and reap the benefits. His LS's best defense is that since they assume everyone else bots, that they're justified in doing so. When in fact they have no hard evidence that other LSs do bot. Where as Zenmetsu openly admits to it.

My whole point is that Zenmetsu brought their situation down on themselves. If Zenmetsu had kept it a secret, they would just be another HNMLS doing their thing. But their leader, and a portion of it's members, are attention whores. Hence, the whole deal with them announcing their methods. The other portion of it's members are just a collection of people who want the fast track in getting that elusive end-game item of their dreams. And will go to any in-game lengths to get it, regardless of other players. The sad thing is that they probably expected some type of respect for being honest about it. However, it hasn't panned out like they thought. Which is why they post on every forum, doing a **** poor job at justifying their position. In some hope of getting that respect. Nice try, but major fail.

Admitting to it is gonna create drama regardless. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's a no-win situation for you. Horrible judgement call. You would of been better off at keeping it a secret, and let people speculate. You could of saved yourself the grief. But like I said before, you're not that bright Opie.

Also, talk about desperate. Now you're trying to call me a gil buyer? Nuusry! I never had to buy, flash, or RMT anything to get into HoCD. I filled out a simple application on their website, talked about my experience with FFXI end-game, and I was approved. No jumping through hoops or what not. And yes, I've known you, or knew of you, ever since you were that level 32 taru dragoon getting into shouting matches with the galka monk, faluzure. I can see time hasn't done anything for your maturity level.

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Edited, Jul 26th 2006 at 7:49pm EDT by Takumaku

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Edited, Aug 8th 2006 at 4:34pm EDT by Icegem

one where have i lied about anything i said previously? that u bot?? that i don't like that u bot?? alot of ppl i respected went to an LS which i don't like what they do to get claims

2 u must be talking to ppl just trying to look good in front of u cause we have never gone more than an hr 45 on our kirin's and one loss due to lack of ppl

3 dynamis ? i don't get this one.. we have good days and we have bad days.. just like i'm sure all do who run dynamis .. my dynamis ls has ALOT of new ppl .. we seem to get ppl glacier access then they leave..such is life oh well

4 what i mean by being accepted is when u were in DVS u have your jokeing way and it wasn't really well taken in the LS ..plus u were and LS jumper

5 as for ppl in the LS being not good... most of the ppl in the LS are casual gamers and are here for fun.. saying we aren't good players is shallow.. and shows what kind of a player u have become i guess

6 as for us riding UC's back... idk where u get that idea.. we were friendly with them however we've never done anything with/for them.. u need to get your facts straight

7 well if u knew anything about me u would also know suck ups don't get anywhere with me.. i find it annoying .. also don't like cheaters.

i play the game for the fun and to hang out with friends.. which is what we are striving for as of late in DVSIII.. other than that any other facts u need me to straighten out for u ?

that's funny jae cuz i was the one who got you alivas and miriel in touch with vancroft to do things with the ls. It went on for about a week and then ya'll decided to leave or something, dont really remember. As for being accepted in your ls, i never asked for acceptance. How was i a ls hopper? i came in to dvs back in the day to say hi try to help out, and helped quite a few if i remember. I was only in, UC, Tira then we made zen after tira broke.. how is that hopping ls's? If you guys just play the game for fun and hanging out with friends why do i find a fair ammount of members feeling it necessary to judge others that play it? Like i said, we admit we bot, so.. you all can stop arguing the fact that we do, you dont want **** talked to you, then dont talk ****. The main reason i never wanted to join that ls was because everyone was so vochal about thier oppinions. However i should of directly talked about the people that were posting, for that i apologize that was a cheap shot. I just find all this flaming to be redundant and childish. You dont like it.. i aint gonna force you to, but express your dislike for botting... yes it's clear you all dont like botting.. now shut the **** up and quit crying.

Seems you were the one who missed the point bud. I never said what i did was right, if you actually READ i said i dont like it. The fact is, you have not even been on the HNM scene.. you dont know how we act, you dont know our claim rate.. you dont know ANYTHING! I actually said that i dont care if it is right and this whole thing was hoping to get it through your head, that you ******** about it and crying(like always) will not make us stop. You want proof taku? go watch aspid camp, go watch KB camp, go watch a fafnir camp with all of your filters off. I'm sure it will be very easy for you to tell who bots and who does not bot. I'm not gonna sit here and justify botting, it's pointless because i know it's wrong. I dont care is all, because i know almost every ls has ppl in it that do. EX: Infinate Linkshell: Made up of mostly Tarutarudan members, who dominated the HNM scene in the early days, consistanly pulled kings, most hardcore botting linkshell on shiva, nela even made a website about it(forgot URL). Xtreme: First NA linkshell to dominate pulls, because of a bot named arshi, you can see a video of arshi in action on youtube, nid pops 2 sec before it's supposed to while Jonesz uses invincible. Jonesz is also a notorious Argus botter. CoD, Claims all thier pullers are on PS2, kindof strange how Roman Knight starts casting on EVERY kb and EVERY aspid that pops, for those of you who KNOW the area, that is impossible. I can come up with others but my point being, is that the HNM scene is full of that ****, we are just not gonna lie about it and pretend to have an immage of purity. I know ppl in other linkshells that bot but i refuse to call them out in public forum. Last but not least, nowhere in my post to you i said anything about player skill, that was addressed to jae, i tried to tag it with both of your names but obviously that was too complex of an idea for you to comprehend. My main point being, you can ***** all you want, but it's just redundant, if you want to be anti botting, then be anti botting, if you want to be anti zenmetsu then come up with a better reason then "You guyz botzorz". That was the point of me talking about player skill, the only thing you guys have on us is that we admit to botting. Yet if you actually attended camps, you would realize that the scene is full of them.

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Edited, Aug 8th 2006 at 4:38pm EDT by Icegem

i actually brought that up in another post a while back. something along the lines of cheating at poker, winning money, and then just telling the other players "its just a game stop crying. its not like im the only one who cheats anyway". same situation just a different game.


not to mention if people really thought it was "just a game" they wouldnt be camping fafnir at 4 in the god damn morning after a maint. many people say its a game but their actions say otherwise.

Edited, Jul 27th 2006 at 1:28pm EDT by Ayazz

You guys are all haters, drink some more haterades!

I will uphold all that is good on the Internet. I will not let any bad deed go unheard of. I will fight for all that is good!! .. damn it Mom, i'm being a cool guy on the internet hold on!!. I will show no mercy!, oh come on Mom why am i grounded?...You will all fear my wrath... No Mom please don't tell daddy, only a couple more minutes.. for I am Takumakuman!!!!.. ok Mom I'm coming now!!











ps: don't mind me I had a few too many white russians, lollolololol.

lol cant bot skill can you?

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thanks Van, have not laughed that hard in awhile!!!

Takumakuman to the rescue...lmfao!!!