Biased GM/Scandalous JPFollow

an all north american server would be perfect in my opinion. Don't have to worry about NM's spawning earlier for them and whatnot. Would be willing to start completely over for a North American server even with the time it took getting equip and lvls.

I lotted for an ancient papyrus in Eldieme Necropolis and won the lot after about 5 days of attempting this. Before I obtained my paper, the server crashed and I was unable to log on the rest of the night. When I logged back on, I had lost my paper.

I told a member of a Japanese LS, name unimportant, what had happened, and she took me and a level 49 thief I had teamed up with in lower Jueno to get our paper. I was shouting for help for almost 2 hrs. No one responded but her. She is a lvl 75 taru black mage with uber equipment who I will allow to remain anonymous.

Things were going well. We killed 5 liches and then a noob train rolled through. A couple tomb mages and warriors along with those dog type things put an end to all 3 of us. I apologized profusely to her, but she said no problem, and not to worry about it. She leveled down. o.O

What did she do? She kept going. She got in touch with her LS for some help, and 15 of them in full AF or better came and owned Eldieme until we got both papers.

How many NA LS groups would have done that for virtual unknown JP? I don't know too many that would. While there are many JP that wouldn't have done this, the same can be said for NA players.

I think JP value their time as much as we do, and you have to realize they have goals they might be trying to achieve. If they don't stop what they are doing to help you, maybe they are busy or don't understand the language. Some won't respond out of embarrassment. They were never good at English in school and are afraid of making mistakes in communicating. Some of them might be doing rank missions or HNM hunting and don't have time to figure out what you're saying. Maybe they were running through the dunes to own Archulete to help someone with an AF drop and so didn't stop to kill a goblin that was owning you. Big deal. ^^

just to see if I understood your original story but...

you got suspended for going to your home point after the level 75 casted raise on you? since when did going to home point become a violation? (i mean if it was, they shouldn't have put the "Allow yourself to be raised?" question in place)

and somebody deemed it worthy to call a GM over that? "I casted raise on someone and they rejected it! BAN THEM!!"

/sigh the calls that the GM do answer (and then actually do something about) versus the ones they never respond to seem to be getting more and more rediculous.

Splits I think he got banned for what was said afterwords not for rejecting the raise.



The real question I have is, how do you know that she didnt give you more than Raise I because you were NA ? I guess I never really realized you didnt say that... you just kinda went off on some rant about prejudice.



How do you know this ? Let us all know please.

This is just for starters which has nothing to do with the actual topic.



I hate this "America is the greatest country in the world" phrase you hear all the time from ignorant americans. The majority of these people, have never left America. So how can you say America is the greatest country in the world if you have nothing to compare it to?If one of the people you worked with came in everyday and said "I'm the greatest person here. And all of you pathetic worms would be lost without me", you would be pretty pissed.

Now that I've gotten that off of my chest, lets get on to the real matter at hand. All I've heard so far is "The JP is mean, he didn't do something that was 100% beneficial to me. So I'm going to whine." "The JP didn't save me from a link in Valkurm Dunes because I wasn't a good enough player to avoid aggro. Evil JP. Lets all cry. ; ;" First of all this guys doesn't know you. He has no connection tied to you what so ever. I'm certain if he knew you he would have saved your sorry ***. And chances are if I were that Dark Knight I wouldn't have saved you either. You're level 15! You lost what, 200-300 EXP? Oh no. That's going to take you all day. Look, people have stuff to do. If some level 75 Dark Knight wants to go to Selbina to put up his bazaar that's what he's going to do. And that other player who didn't give you a Raise III? That JP player took time out of his play time to raise your sorry *** cause you got killed. The Raise you needed oh so badly. The same Raise you refused and warped back to your HP. I would have been grateful to get anything at all.
It's all Squares fault. I hear that far too often. I'm certain this guy, Kosabosa, retorted with some crude remark for not giving him a Raise II or III.
"The evil JP hacked into my account and stole my stuff." Him being JP has nothing to do with what he did. The guy is just a jerk regardless of his ethnicity. Just say he's a jerk, that's all you need to say. And what gets me the most is that some of you whom called this JP racist, are just retorting with racist comments back, hypocrites....
The Japanese have much different standards from ours. Racist comments are much more accepted there than in America. If you go there you will most likely be insulted at least once. But this whole "JP are evil" thing is just stupid. Just because they aren't going to do something for you doesn't mean they hate you cause your American. And in conclusion to this rant, people are ****** not one specific race. There are kind people, and jerks. If everyone was nice, you wouldn't have anything to compare it to, and it would just be normal and wouldn't have a definition or a word to represent it. I've had some people to some seriously cruel **** to me. But on the other side of the coin, I have had some people do some very nice things for me (Ryunoire ^^).


Edited, Mon Oct 18 18:14:00 2004 by AzarathTheRedMage

/em cheers graveymonkey on

The fact that we can debate this proves how great our country is.

Sorry i was gonna drop this thread, but have to support our military in this one. Yes our country could use some improvement, but just think of all the improvments that have happened in the past 50 or even 100 years. Now think of the improvements since the revolutionary war, and george washington days. It amazes me, and i hope myu grandkids will say the same about the 20th century, and great grand kids about the 21st century.

Be greatful, for things may not always be so free as they are today.

P.S. it was nice to meet you the other day Norrain :)

what's wrong with making an *** out of yourself? I like the t.v. show Farscape and one of the reason is because the leading character screws up a LOT. 80% percent if not more of his plan fail for some reason or another. Plus, he freely makes mistakes right and left. The point? well sometimes he gets things right and the show goes on.

That to me is like freedom. If you are willing to give people freedom then you have to accept that they are going to make an *** out of themselves 80% of the time. Now if people don't recognize they made an *** out of themselves? that's a separate issue. ^^

I play on a PS2 and quite frankly I'm sooo sick of this BS superiority complex that some of you PC players have. Ok the NA version was released over here a whole 4 months before the PS2 version came out and in the time that I've been playing (which was the March release date) I have encountered this attitude on more than a few occasions. Those of you that are posting on here complaining about the Japanese being racist and acting like they're superior should perhaps stop and look at your own behavior. I mean come on you play the game on a PC and (some of you) have had the game for a few more months than the rest of us. So please explain to me how this makes you superior? I don't blame the Japanese players for how they have treated you, after all I'm an American player and I've ran into more than my fair share of @$$holes in this game, and guess what they were all NA players. If you want to start preaching about how you should be treated with more respect from other players then perhaps you should start treating others the same way. I personally don't give a damn what the person is playing the game on, what should matter is how they play the game. Stop acting like you're better than everyone else just because you're on a PC.



This is exactly why other countries assume that all Americans are a$$holes. Yeah we have some wonderfull freedoms here. Like being able to say that "America Sucks d**k" and not having to worry about the repercussions of making such a statement. But please don't make us all look bad by standing there and proclaiming that we're the best there is. And while you're at try studying some of our history books, when it comes to racist, self-serving, and just plain arrogant behavior you'll find that we are far worse than Japan or any other country out there. You encountered a little bit of racism in a foreign country big f'ing deal, at least they're honest and upfront about it, unlike here where everything is smiles to your face and knives in your back. As far as the second comment- bottom line, we pay taxed therefore we have as much right to live here as any other citizen. You need to drop this "Love it or leave it" BS. One of the freedoms that we have here is that we're allowed to talk all the sh&t we want about our country and our government. Hell if I really wanted to I could buy an American flag, throw it on the ground, urinate on it and then set it on fire. Not that I would but the point being is that we are given those kind of rights. I don't know which part of the country you came from but with an attitude like that I would imagine that there are a lot of pick-up trucks and confederate flags draped on our buildings.



You would have to be a fairly petty person to begin with to take offense to that. Why don't you explain to all of us (Without launching into a huge religous tyrade) how exactly this offends you? Did you ever stop to think that perhaps "God" might have a different meaning in the Japanese culture? If I were to have a character named "Satan" or something in reference to another religous symbol not affiliated with the Christian religion would that be considered offensive? I mean my god this is a f'ing game, why don't you try practicing a little tolerance. I'm sure there are more than a few character names that are probably offensive to someone else in the game, but it's pretty stupid to get upset about that. If trivial things like that are going to upset you so much that you feel the need to whine about it here, then perhaps you should consider playing a different game or better yet just not playing at all.

what more can I say but... LMFAO rate up Hinageshii

It's also the matruity factor...

In Japan, internet access is still things for the "grown ups". Games that are as complicated like this is also for the "grown ups". They don't have preteens playing around, jerking people around, thinking it's funny to /slap random people, etc. They don't spam pointless shouts in Lower Jeuno, for example...

When I was pre-LB1, I experienced plenty of rude NAs and immature NAs, probably more than rude JPs. After LB2 and AFs, I don't experience them as much. Like suddenly "I gtg, Mom's calling me" and disband the entire PT. My favorite is "My Dad's mad at me, I'll be AFK ok??" and like leave for 30 minutes, we finally decide to disband, only to be abused by potty mouth /tells as to why we left him in Qufim all by himself...

So you see, it's maturity level of the lower level NA players.

On the flips side, the thing that bothers me is JPs are hyper senstive about manners...I mean, it gets a tad ridiculous when I'm obligated to say {Thank you} to a JP RDM every time he Refreshes me... With an NA, I'll just say "TY" everytime I get a chance and that's quite acceptable. Once I even had a JP BLM that got mad at me cuz I didn't say {Thank you} for every post-battle Curaga he casted "on my behalf" (as he said) to bring the health back up so we can chain (I have to rest as soon as battle is over to keep the MP up). ...><... But I thought that was what team work was all about - doing your job the best way possible so everyone can benefit - not something that I have to /bow thank all the time! Imagine if you had to thank me every time I threw a Cure! I don't expect a {Thank You} for every Regen!

I just think there are equal amount of A-holes both NA & JP, and I'm sure EU & HK as well. It has nothing to do with culture, but probably more to do with the person behind the animation. I have known extremely gernours JPs - you just never hear about them. I have also known extermely rude and pissy JPs you always hear about them. The same with NAs - I've seen posts here flaming eachother, but seldom see a praise post. So you see, it's not the nationality, it's the people.

I am also bothered by some NAs that seems to think that JPs are superior in the game - no questions asked. Statements like, "JPs are the best players! I would never PT with a NA if I can help it!" or "You all suck, JPs are the best!" Basically, NAs that are JP worshipers... Most of them know the game better than us because they've been around for 3 years - that's almost 2 years in advance of NA PC version. If I, a late comer can get to 59, learn all the things I have learned in under 6 months, imagine the wealth of experience and knowledge these guys have? It's experience baby, not because they are JP.

Now at my level I have experienced horrible JP players. DRKs that didn't now that they can negate STR down by Absorb-STR. PLDs that I had to Haste and force them to keep Hate. JPs that gets lost in Boyada Tree. JPs that forget to Sneak in Kuftal Tunnel. These JPs are usually Rank 6 and below. The "uber" ones are usually Rank 9 and above.

Then there are these....I have one JP friend that I've PT'ed with when we were both Rank 1 lvl 15. She is now Rank 10 Lvl 75. It's not because she's better than me - it was her 4th character (she wants to bring all race, all jobs to 75 ... @.@) She has high lvl friends from her previous characters helping her get thru the missions and quests. So you see, experience and knowledge is what makes them better - not because they are JP. So please don't say JPs are better than us just because they are JP.

...and one thing so earlier poster...Romaji is not "hooked on phonics" ... it's a method most Japanese use to input words into Word processing type programs using an English key board. They can read and understand it perfectly. It's just that when they do not see kana, they just think you're NA, masking as JP or something - I still can't figure this one out...

I can speak business speak (enourmously courteous way of speaking/expressing) and I've used it in an attempt to invite JPs.
uchipu>> {Excuse me...} Totsuzen moushi wake arimasenga, {Kuftal Tunnel} de {Party} ******** orimasu. Yoroshikereba go sanka itadake naideshouka? (ENG - Excuse me, I am very sorry to bother you suddenly, but we are PT-ing in Kuftal Tunnel. If at all possible, I would like you to join us.)
to this I got
JP Person>>{I don't understand English} NA {No thanks}. >:(

....As for giving the original poster Raise I instead of Raise II - that's a WHM's choice :P I don't have to give anyone Raise II. And it will be that way even when I have Raise III. JP or NA - period. Although I would've Raise II-ed you for a price, since I had to drop what I was doing and travel to you.

the issue of politeness is a deeply ingrained cultural thing with the japanese players. most of the ones i've met aren't too fanatical about it..

i was partying with two japanese whms that thanked each for curing each other, which i though was sorta weird, but soon i started to thank them.. they even thanked me when i managed to voke a critter off of them.

there is a cultural gap to certain, but nothing a little courtesy can't overcome.

for examnple, a red mage refreshing you and you trade him a MP restoring juice

I do stuff like that all the time when i am partying... i'm not the demonic critter of pain that seppuku seems to think i am...

*hide tail and pitchfork*

np, and I apologize if I came off a bit strong... I still need to take that class called 'shut the hell up 101'. ^^

The reason I said Romajj is like "Hooked on Phonics" is because Romajj is used to teach latin speakers how to speak Japanese. It also has a lot of loop holes and annoying inconsistancies in how things sounds versus how they are spelled. The actual spelling varies as well. So even as a programming language it is severly flawed. example? Fun/Hun - means minutes in Japanese and neither spelling correctly conveys how the word sounds.