Another FFXI player sent me this its worth reading...
In light of the many perversions and jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke, it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.
Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on Sept. 11).
Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.
And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"
In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.
Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school ... the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
Then Dr........................ Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.
Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued (there's a big difference between disciplining, touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.). And we said OK.
Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said OK.
Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said OK.
Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good.
Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said OK.
And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the Internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to free speech.
Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead.
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.
Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.
Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
Are you laughing yet?
Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they WILL think of you for sending it. Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.
Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in!
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Please leave the worries and quarrels of the real world (politics and religion included) separated from the world of Vana Diel.
I'm sorry Glitter. This is nothing against, just my thoughts:
Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.
"God" should NOT be in government, NEVER. Religious beliefs will seperate people, which is why people came to America, for religious freedom. You put Religion in the government, there will be anarchy. After all, who's religion should be in the government? Everyone's feel's that their's is the "correct" one. NO. Government has nothing to do with religion. Moral and ethical codes are great, but religion should not be included in that.
Is this about Clinton getting a *******? I guess so. If you have a great boss at work, but likes to jack-off at home, is that a problem? These are human beings. NO ONE is going to be perfect. Yes, at work, this stuff don't matter. Work is NOT your life. I go to work, do my job, then go home. NO ONE should be able to dictate as to what's proper behavior for me at home. As long as I'm not harming anyone. Where is the freedom?!
Hmmm, I DO think today is a HELLUVA lot better than "yesterday." Sure, TV has gotten more risque and present day earth is up to date with it. But think of this....
In the past, women didn't even HAVE a voice. Had no say in matters. Hell, black people couldn't even drink from the same damn water fountain's as whites. I guess the hatred and prejudice came from the TV and music of that time, what do you think? Perhaps black people wasn't good with "god" either. Or the native americans; had their own ****!ng land taken from them, their people killed.... Now there are so few of them left, it's not funny. Maybe it was the music. Damn that rap...
Who's Bible and what version? The Koran? The version with a merciful god, or the version with god sans-prozac?
I guess all the babies that died stillbirth, or the innocents on 9/11...yeah, they all had it comin' to them, right??
No, I actually like to hear people's views on things. It's just that when people feel that their view, or shall I say religion is the supreme or greatest; then we have a problem. Instead of sharing their ideas with you, like sharing an apple; they force their thoughts down your throat like bad medicine. The balance of talking is listening. Some people don't seem to do that.
Oh hell yeah, I'm laughing...
Or shall I say, "this person's god". We don't need another Crusades. People should be more open to hear, understand and RESPECT people's religion, ideals, and ways of life. I myself am a spiritual person. I don't follow any particular religion anymore, though I do like learning about them. The way I see it, religion can be compared to martial arts. Everyone always say how their "style" is better, but when it comes down to it, it's all just kicks and punches. All having a similiar path. To include religion in things like the govenment, just isn't right. What religion would it be? We are already getting a taste of that with Bush in office right now. POLITICS AND RELIGION should NEVER MIX. I couldn't imagine TV being censored like in the 50's. Remember 'Leave it to Beaver'? The parents slept in seperate beds. WTF was that about? Conservative America is too afraid to come to terms with the real world. We are human beings, to be restricted so much will make us recoil like a rubberband. Look at the late 60's and 70's. People were coming out of that conservative fog, that's why it seemed so drastic. It's just a matter of time. I think the world is MUCH better now than earlier this century, don't you? I mean, look at America. Really look, all the different people living together. Going to the same schools and work places. Hanging out together. Playing MMORPG's together. I think we are in a better condition than we think. Hell, is a state of mind. If it is real, we've been through it already: The Depression, Jews in concentration camps, Blacks being lynched and murdered, Native American's genocide... This isn't intended to be a joke, as I feel that I'm "out of character" at the moment. But, I really do want you to think too. Thank you. ^^
Edited, Thu Jun 16 05:24:54 2005 by BarchielReturns
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Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.
"God" should NOT be in government, NEVER. Religious beliefs will seperate people, which is why people came to America, for religious freedom. You put Religion in the government, there will be anarchy. After all, who's religion should be in the government? Everyone's feel's that their's is the "correct" one. NO. Government has nothing to do with religion. Moral and ethical codes are great, but religion should not be included in that.
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Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good.
Is this about Clinton getting a *******? I guess so. If you have a great boss at work, but likes to jack-off at home, is that a problem? These are human beings. NO ONE is going to be perfect. Yes, at work, this stuff don't matter. Work is NOT your life. I go to work, do my job, then go home. NO ONE should be able to dictate as to what's proper behavior for me at home. As long as I'm not harming anyone. Where is the freedom?!
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Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead.
Hmmm, I DO think today is a HELLUVA lot better than "yesterday." Sure, TV has gotten more risque and present day earth is up to date with it. But think of this....
In the past, women didn't even HAVE a voice. Had no say in matters. Hell, black people couldn't even drink from the same damn water fountain's as whites. I guess the hatred and prejudice came from the TV and music of that time, what do you think? Perhaps black people wasn't good with "god" either. Or the native americans; had their own ****!ng land taken from them, their people killed.... Now there are so few of them left, it's not funny. Maybe it was the music. Damn that rap...
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Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.
Who's Bible and what version? The Koran? The version with a merciful god, or the version with god sans-prozac?
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Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."
I guess all the babies that died stillbirth, or the innocents on 9/11...yeah, they all had it comin' to them, right??
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Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
No, I actually like to hear people's views on things. It's just that when people feel that their view, or shall I say religion is the supreme or greatest; then we have a problem. Instead of sharing their ideas with you, like sharing an apple; they force their thoughts down your throat like bad medicine. The balance of talking is listening. Some people don't seem to do that.
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Are you laughing yet?
Oh hell yeah, I'm laughing...
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Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they WILL think of you for sending it. Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.
Or shall I say, "this person's god". We don't need another Crusades. People should be more open to hear, understand and RESPECT people's religion, ideals, and ways of life. I myself am a spiritual person. I don't follow any particular religion anymore, though I do like learning about them. The way I see it, religion can be compared to martial arts. Everyone always say how their "style" is better, but when it comes down to it, it's all just kicks and punches. All having a similiar path. To include religion in things like the govenment, just isn't right. What religion would it be? We are already getting a taste of that with Bush in office right now. POLITICS AND RELIGION should NEVER MIX. I couldn't imagine TV being censored like in the 50's. Remember 'Leave it to Beaver'? The parents slept in seperate beds. WTF was that about? Conservative America is too afraid to come to terms with the real world. We are human beings, to be restricted so much will make us recoil like a rubberband. Look at the late 60's and 70's. People were coming out of that conservative fog, that's why it seemed so drastic. It's just a matter of time. I think the world is MUCH better now than earlier this century, don't you? I mean, look at America. Really look, all the different people living together. Going to the same schools and work places. Hanging out together. Playing MMORPG's together. I think we are in a better condition than we think. Hell, is a state of mind. If it is real, we've been through it already: The Depression, Jews in concentration camps, Blacks being lynched and murdered, Native American's genocide... This isn't intended to be a joke, as I feel that I'm "out of character" at the moment. But, I really do want you to think too. Thank you. ^^
Edited, Thu Jun 16 05:24:54 2005 by BarchielReturns
i will say this one last time, please be prepared to read this, k?
PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE THEY WILL DO AS THEY PLEASE, YOU CAN DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT, BUT YOU CANNOT STOP HUMAN NATURE. k got it? With that said, most of those are pretty funny, and stupid IMO. Porno mags for one, why not? u havr to be 18 to get them anyways, its some1s personal life isnt it? Ok, umm women getting abortions withought telling thier families. You know what age a girl can be before she has to? 12, you know why? Cause its to pretwct the girl from the family. If your daughter got pregnant, would you be mad and upset and discourage her? Maybe not but some families do. I dont wholey agree with that ordeal, but shall we move on? Alrighty, school is supposed to teach not preach, so bibles and prayer shouldnt be in non-cathoolic schools, because it does not fit with the criteria. Spanking is NOT a bad thing, it is a way of punishment that works. Telling a kid to "go sit in time out" or have a nice long civil talk doesnt usually work, but i could. IMO if you get in trouble for spanking you kid you should be able to sue the person blaming you for stupidity. BUT if you abuse and meleciously spank a child that may engaer them, you should be hit in the head with a brick. Would you reather have guys NOT get condoms? Sure...more babys for you then, having the school promote condoms may make it easier for people to get them an duse them. Time are NOT like they used to be when sx was a OMGWTF YOU SED SEGZ OMG NO SOUP FOR YOU!!! Its a perfeclty fine, and human thing to do. And to the kiddie **** thats unbelievably disturbing and disgusting, theres no way you can stop it tho. Its on the internet, like everything you see. Do you see what the government does with our tax money, or how many scandals are going on out there every minute? Prolly, if you search hard enough, but people dont seemingly care to much. Do you see how many absurd laws there our to "protect" our nation? You could if you searched, but hey Protection > freedom right? Children most of the time have a conscience of right and wrong, but what if thier conscience has been minupulated by an authirity they beleive is right? Then thier perception may become distorted. You know a kid 16 years of age (i think 14 in some states) can be put ion death row?(Omg my fav video of linkin park is on :3) theres no way to stop the spread on the internet with a great deal of power. The bible and the internet are 2 different realitys. Not everyone follows the Bible, so you have to se rules and regulations that everyone can reguilate..................................................................Im going to bed now... i doubt any of this has to do with the actualy topic, but from what i read, im replying. god im tired... ~_~;
PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE THEY WILL DO AS THEY PLEASE, YOU CAN DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT, BUT YOU CANNOT STOP HUMAN NATURE. k got it? With that said, most of those are pretty funny, and stupid IMO. Porno mags for one, why not? u havr to be 18 to get them anyways, its some1s personal life isnt it? Ok, umm women getting abortions withought telling thier families. You know what age a girl can be before she has to? 12, you know why? Cause its to pretwct the girl from the family. If your daughter got pregnant, would you be mad and upset and discourage her? Maybe not but some families do. I dont wholey agree with that ordeal, but shall we move on? Alrighty, school is supposed to teach not preach, so bibles and prayer shouldnt be in non-cathoolic schools, because it does not fit with the criteria. Spanking is NOT a bad thing, it is a way of punishment that works. Telling a kid to "go sit in time out" or have a nice long civil talk doesnt usually work, but i could. IMO if you get in trouble for spanking you kid you should be able to sue the person blaming you for stupidity. BUT if you abuse and meleciously spank a child that may engaer them, you should be hit in the head with a brick. Would you reather have guys NOT get condoms? Sure...more babys for you then, having the school promote condoms may make it easier for people to get them an duse them. Time are NOT like they used to be when sx was a OMGWTF YOU SED SEGZ OMG NO SOUP FOR YOU!!! Its a perfeclty fine, and human thing to do. And to the kiddie **** thats unbelievably disturbing and disgusting, theres no way you can stop it tho. Its on the internet, like everything you see. Do you see what the government does with our tax money, or how many scandals are going on out there every minute? Prolly, if you search hard enough, but people dont seemingly care to much. Do you see how many absurd laws there our to "protect" our nation? You could if you searched, but hey Protection > freedom right? Children most of the time have a conscience of right and wrong, but what if thier conscience has been minupulated by an authirity they beleive is right? Then thier perception may become distorted. You know a kid 16 years of age (i think 14 in some states) can be put ion death row?(Omg my fav video of linkin park is on :3) theres no way to stop the spread on the internet with a great deal of power. The bible and the internet are 2 different realitys. Not everyone follows the Bible, so you have to se rules and regulations that everyone can reguilate..................................................................Im going to bed now... i doubt any of this has to do with the actualy topic, but from what i read, im replying. god im tired... ~_~;
After reading Tricen's post I can tell 2 things:
1) He stayed up WAYYY past his bedtime. Look at that paragraph
structure, geez.
2) I TOTALLY agree with him.
Took some of the words out of my mouth. I'm glad to hear you thoughts bro.
1) He stayed up WAYYY past his bedtime. Look at that paragraph
structure, geez.
2) I TOTALLY agree with him.
Took some of the words out of my mouth. I'm glad to hear you thoughts bro.
i wrote that at like 4 30 AM.. its curenty 6 20 am and i cannot sleep. IM HEALTHY WEE!
What I find to be a sad state of affairs is the sheer intolerance people have. Period. Atheists blame religion for their problems. Fundamentalist Christians blame everyone else for their problems. Militant Islamists blame everyoen else for their problems. Everyone blames everyone else for their problems.
You can't take a person's beliefs from them. Religion is in schools. But it's not taught. Which to a point is good. The church and home is where Religion is meant to be taught. There is nothing stopping a student or a teacher from silently praying. You have your beliefs I have mine. I do not wish to be forced to pray to your version of God nor do I think you wish to be forced to pray to mine.
You want the world to change? Then stop being so damned intolerant of other people.
This is a fantasy game. This demonic perversion (as seen by extreme fundamentalists) has brought people of differing backgrounds and differing religions together in a way not done before. Very rarely do I hear references to religion of any sort brought into this game.
Unlike real life, I don't see people gathering into cliques and shouting "Down with Gays." "Down with Pagans!" "Burn the Witches." "Kill the infidels." "Abortion is murder." etc.
You want to change the world? Get rid of the bigoted **** retentive close minded spiteful leaders we have now.
You can't take a person's beliefs from them. Religion is in schools. But it's not taught. Which to a point is good. The church and home is where Religion is meant to be taught. There is nothing stopping a student or a teacher from silently praying. You have your beliefs I have mine. I do not wish to be forced to pray to your version of God nor do I think you wish to be forced to pray to mine.
You want the world to change? Then stop being so damned intolerant of other people.
This is a fantasy game. This demonic perversion (as seen by extreme fundamentalists) has brought people of differing backgrounds and differing religions together in a way not done before. Very rarely do I hear references to religion of any sort brought into this game.
Unlike real life, I don't see people gathering into cliques and shouting "Down with Gays." "Down with Pagans!" "Burn the Witches." "Kill the infidels." "Abortion is murder." etc.
You want to change the world? Get rid of the bigoted **** retentive close minded spiteful leaders we have now.
Hey my Mom sent me this same Email.
not to be a completely horrid, frigid b****, but I don't believe in "god", or a humanoid manefestation of a "higher" lifeforce.
Reading this seems silly as an athiest(sp?)
theres a reason there is "seperation of church and state", and I'm pretty sure it's not because someone hates god, or dislikes god, or is an athiest like myself (but I'm pretty sure congress & other higher lvls of government have more Christians than athiests). And no, I don't hate Christians, or any other religion, its just the extremists and bigots that I dislike. -.-
I'm sorry, but a post like this is just gonna bring flames lol. Be careful of what you post, cuz you might step on a few (or more) toes, and make people irate (oh not me not me, just an fyi ^^)
Edited, Thu Jun 16 08:54:54 2005 by doomygir
Reading this seems silly as an athiest(sp?)
theres a reason there is "seperation of church and state", and I'm pretty sure it's not because someone hates god, or dislikes god, or is an athiest like myself (but I'm pretty sure congress & other higher lvls of government have more Christians than athiests). And no, I don't hate Christians, or any other religion, its just the extremists and bigots that I dislike. -.-
I'm sorry, but a post like this is just gonna bring flames lol. Be careful of what you post, cuz you might step on a few (or more) toes, and make people irate (oh not me not me, just an fyi ^^)
Edited, Thu Jun 16 08:54:54 2005 by doomygir
Wow that pisses me off, i made a 20 minute reply to this, and then the site crashed and lost it ><
Oh well my thoughts and opinions arent important anyways.
Oh well my thoughts and opinions arent important anyways.
Peaceful non-judgemental athiests unite!
*people see 5 athiests form into Athitron!*
But on a serious note, I'm an agnostic athiest (if you think that is stupid or impossible then you're not very open minded :p) and I don't hate religious poeple, I have many friends who are religious. But I do hate people who impose their religion on others, and start arguements or cause violence against others because their interpretations of their religion are against other poeple's morals and beliefs. This world would be a lot more peaceful if people didn't love to impose themselves onto others. Just think for a minute on all the wars, violence, and problems around the world, aren't they all really just one group (or multiple groups) of people imposing some ideal or belief onto another group? Now I hope this thread doesn't turn into a big flame fest, if you're going to reply please try to "debate" or "discuss," not flame and say senseless things.
*people see 5 athiests form into Athitron!*
But on a serious note, I'm an agnostic athiest (if you think that is stupid or impossible then you're not very open minded :p) and I don't hate religious poeple, I have many friends who are religious. But I do hate people who impose their religion on others, and start arguements or cause violence against others because their interpretations of their religion are against other poeple's morals and beliefs. This world would be a lot more peaceful if people didn't love to impose themselves onto others. Just think for a minute on all the wars, violence, and problems around the world, aren't they all really just one group (or multiple groups) of people imposing some ideal or belief onto another group? Now I hope this thread doesn't turn into a big flame fest, if you're going to reply please try to "debate" or "discuss," not flame and say senseless things.
Bar I don't believe these are Glitters thoughts. This was an e-mail she wished to share. But what I would like to know is....why is it everyone on this game says they do not believe in God. Do you think that fact makes you tough? Or are you all just trying to fit in because it's "cool" to trash on things others believe. Separation of Church and State is a joke. Some things like saying the Pledge of Allegiance is wrong. But not wanting to pass certain things because of moral implications is not wrong. I graduated from a Catholic school and I feel like a better person for it. Having something to believe in is really not that bad guys. Besides I think you're missing the point of this e-mail. It's not that porno by itself corrupts, or that violence on t.v will fry anyones mind. It's that if you take in so much negative stuff, and you're told that the good things are bad and not allowed in public then suddenly the violence and the **** and the swearing and all that other stuff becomes way to comfortable. That's when the "well those kids in columbine got alot of attention, and hey those kids are bothering me...why not" or the "Damn, that girl sure looked like she liked being handcuffed and gagged, I think bars mom will to"(sorry bar i had to) ideas start to form. If violence, and all the other negatives are to casual, then they become reality and nobody sees the problem in this. But hey it's ok...as long as nobody prays...unless it's praying for that job promotion, or for anything else superficial. Then of course go pray your hearts out right?
This was totally a ramble, and you'll all dismiss and flame me for having faith. Because it's not the cool thing and I must be a fairy right?
This was totally a ramble, and you'll all dismiss and flame me for having faith. Because it's not the cool thing and I must be a fairy right?
One of the many reasons I love the world of FFXI/Van a Diel is that it allows us all to escape reality for a bit; to leave the glaring, sometimes brutal realities of life and current events to the daily papers and television media. We can embrace for awhile another aspect of our 'lives' in the fantasy world; make and discover new friends where racial, political, moral and social issue boundaries are lowered......thus, personally, I prefer to leave topics of politics,church,religion and what not to the real world!
The biggest thing I want to worry about discussing on these message boards is advice on gear upgrades; how to sneak/invisi my whole party when they forget their oils and powders; whats the best party setup; who's available to do Mission 6-1 &2.... blah blah blah....Just my opinion
Peace everyone!
The biggest thing I want to worry about discussing on these message boards is advice on gear upgrades; how to sneak/invisi my whole party when they forget their oils and powders; whats the best party setup; who's available to do Mission 6-1 &2.... blah blah blah....Just my opinion
Peace everyone!
[quote=Glitterngld]
Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.
She is so right
And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"
Good point, but I doubt she knows God that well
In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.
Dumb Bit*h deserved to die in my opionion, one less person protesting something just because they do not see eye to eye with everyone else on it.
Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school ... the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
I do not see reading the bible in a public school, but in a Christain school it is a class as far as I know.
Then Dr........................ Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.
He sounds like a ***** to me, a kid proably could have kicked his ***, so he was proably scared to discipline him.
Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued (there's a big difference between disciplining, touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.). And we said OK.
Discipline, yes teachers should have that right, but as for how they go about it, that should surely be regualted. I think just because they are teachers does not mean they are good people.
Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said OK.
Thats just wrong, every parent should be aware of something like this and help thier child in making the right decisions.
Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said OK.
That is a good and bad idea, bad for encourgaing them to go have sex, but good for giving them condoms to help regulate the reproduction of more idiots in this world, God knows we do not needmore of them.
Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good.
Politicans, by the time you are 10 years old you should know enough to not believe anything that comes out of thier mouths.
Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said OK.
Oh yes, I appreciate, very much so.
And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the Internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to free speech.
Thats just sick and wrong and anyone doing this should have thier genital area removed or be shot on site.
Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead.
Nothing wrong here, it is the parents responsibility to teach thier childern right and wrong and instill morals in them. If I want to watch a Voilent movie I should be able to. Just because some idiot thinks it is real does not mean the rest of us should be restricted from such things.
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
SHUT THE FU*K UP AND HOLD THIER PARENTS RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE THINGS. PARENTS TEACH THIER CHILDERN RIGHT FROM WRONG, IT IS NOT SOCIETIES JOB TO RAISE PEOPLES DAMN CHILDERN. IF ALL THE IDIOTS OUT THERE WOULD JUST STOP HAVING 4-8 KIDS BY THE TIME THEY TURNED 25, WHILE SITTING ON WELFARE AND USING THIER DRUGS, MAYBE THE WORLD WOULD BE A LITTLE SMARTER.
These are just my opinions on this. I believe in God and I am a Christian
Edited, Thu Jun 16 12:12:36 2005 by Proroc
Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.
She is so right
And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"
Good point, but I doubt she knows God that well
In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.
Dumb Bit*h deserved to die in my opionion, one less person protesting something just because they do not see eye to eye with everyone else on it.
Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school ... the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
I do not see reading the bible in a public school, but in a Christain school it is a class as far as I know.
Then Dr........................ Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.
He sounds like a ***** to me, a kid proably could have kicked his ***, so he was proably scared to discipline him.
Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued (there's a big difference between disciplining, touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.). And we said OK.
Discipline, yes teachers should have that right, but as for how they go about it, that should surely be regualted. I think just because they are teachers does not mean they are good people.
Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said OK.
Thats just wrong, every parent should be aware of something like this and help thier child in making the right decisions.
Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said OK.
That is a good and bad idea, bad for encourgaing them to go have sex, but good for giving them condoms to help regulate the reproduction of more idiots in this world, God knows we do not needmore of them.
Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good.
Politicans, by the time you are 10 years old you should know enough to not believe anything that comes out of thier mouths.
Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said OK.
Oh yes, I appreciate, very much so.
And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the Internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to free speech.
Thats just sick and wrong and anyone doing this should have thier genital area removed or be shot on site.
Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead.
Nothing wrong here, it is the parents responsibility to teach thier childern right and wrong and instill morals in them. If I want to watch a Voilent movie I should be able to. Just because some idiot thinks it is real does not mean the rest of us should be restricted from such things.
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
SHUT THE FU*K UP AND HOLD THIER PARENTS RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE THINGS. PARENTS TEACH THIER CHILDERN RIGHT FROM WRONG, IT IS NOT SOCIETIES JOB TO RAISE PEOPLES DAMN CHILDERN. IF ALL THE IDIOTS OUT THERE WOULD JUST STOP HAVING 4-8 KIDS BY THE TIME THEY TURNED 25, WHILE SITTING ON WELFARE AND USING THIER DRUGS, MAYBE THE WORLD WOULD BE A LITTLE SMARTER.
These are just my opinions on this. I believe in God and I am a Christian
Edited, Thu Jun 16 12:12:36 2005 by Proroc
Hmmm I'm going to have to pick your post apart Wrip. Sorry.
Wrip
First of all I believe in God. I have met several people that believe in God. However, religion and God rarely come up in party chat, shouts or even in linkshell chat that I've participated in.
I am Pagan. Have been Pagan long before it was considered "fashionable" by the mindless masses looking to rebel against their parents. To an extent I can be considered non-denominational or Deistical in my beliefs.
Why is Separation of Church and State a joke? Church should hold no sway in government. The government should not force it's people to believe or disbelieve in God. It is the people's choice. You can not take religion from a person. Everyone from the lowest beggar to the President himself is allowed to believe as he or she wishes. Religion guides many people in what they do. Even our lawmakers and our judges will allow religion to guide their decisions. However, when you use religion to force your ideals of what is right and wrong upon others, you are wrong. Want examples of the abuse of power that happens when the two are mixed? The Holy Crusades. Spanis Inquistion. Salem Witch Trials. 9-11. How many hundreds of thousands or even millions must die for people to understand this
Wrip
The problem is that people don't take responsibility for their actions. Our judicial system has shown us we are no longer responsible for our actions. Lee Boyd Malvo ring a bell to anyone? He was the young accomplice to the DC Sniper shootings that plagued my area of the country. But hey give the kid a break he was brain washed by Mohammad.
Remember the mom in Texas that killed all 5 of her children by drowning them then called the police? It got chalked up to Post Natal Depression (or whatever the hell they called it). She knew right from wrong, but hold her accountable? No! She was a victim of a chemical imbalance. She knew it was a sin to kill. She killed her children to save them from burning in hell because she felt she was a bad mother.
As a society we can now blame our parents for our problems. We can blame someone else instead of taking responsibility for ourselves. Man breaks into my house. I beat him to a bloody pulp. He can sue me for assault! WTF is that?
It is not the government's place to give us moral guidance. It is not the lawyers or the judges to give us moral guidance. It is not the responsibility of the school system to give us moral guidance. It is the church's responsibility. It is the parent's responsibility.
You don't like **** or swearing? Then it is your choice not to look at it, buy it, or watch it. You can turn the channel. You can turn the TV off. You don't have to buy that mindless violent game for your 8 year old child. It is up to the parents to lock up the guns in the house.
It is the school's place to teach us about history, science, math, language. It is the governement's place to keep us safe from predators and those that might do us harm. It is not their responsibility to censor life or protect us from ourselves. It is their responsibility to ensure that we have a right to life. It is the judicial system's responsibility to keep those that would harm others out of the general populace. It is the judicial system's responsibility to ensure these criminals can not harm others ever again.
Wrip
Pray all you want. Go to church ten times a week if you wish. You are more than welcome to have an intelligent discourse on religion with me. However you do not have the right to force your beliefs on me. If God wanted us all to be the same, we would. God gave us free will. Forced conversion is not free will. Being forced to pray to the Catholic version, the Islam version, the Baptist version, the Pagan version, etc..... is not free will.
Feel free to believe as you wish. This is free will. That is what freedom is.
Edited, Thu Jun 16 12:53:32 2005 by Papawarlock
Wrip
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But what I would like to know is....why is it everyone on this game says they do not believe in God. Do you think that fact makes you tough? Or are you all just trying to fit in because it's "cool" to trash on things others believe. Separation of Church and State is a joke. Some things like saying the Pledge of Allegiance is wrong.
First of all I believe in God. I have met several people that believe in God. However, religion and God rarely come up in party chat, shouts or even in linkshell chat that I've participated in.
I am Pagan. Have been Pagan long before it was considered "fashionable" by the mindless masses looking to rebel against their parents. To an extent I can be considered non-denominational or Deistical in my beliefs.
Why is Separation of Church and State a joke? Church should hold no sway in government. The government should not force it's people to believe or disbelieve in God. It is the people's choice. You can not take religion from a person. Everyone from the lowest beggar to the President himself is allowed to believe as he or she wishes. Religion guides many people in what they do. Even our lawmakers and our judges will allow religion to guide their decisions. However, when you use religion to force your ideals of what is right and wrong upon others, you are wrong. Want examples of the abuse of power that happens when the two are mixed? The Holy Crusades. Spanis Inquistion. Salem Witch Trials. 9-11. How many hundreds of thousands or even millions must die for people to understand this
Wrip
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Besides I think you're missing the point of this e-mail. It's not that porno by itself corrupts, or that violence on t.v will fry anyones mind. It's that if you take in so much negative stuff, and you're told that the good things are bad and not allowed in public then suddenly the violence and the **** and the swearing and all that other stuff becomes way to comfortable. That's when the "well those kids in columbine got alot of attention, and hey those kids are bothering me...why not" or the "Damn, that girl sure looked like she liked being handcuffed and gagged, I think bars mom will to"(sorry bar i had to) ideas start to form. If violence, and all the other negatives are to casual, then they become reality and nobody sees the problem in this. But hey it's ok...
The problem is that people don't take responsibility for their actions. Our judicial system has shown us we are no longer responsible for our actions. Lee Boyd Malvo ring a bell to anyone? He was the young accomplice to the DC Sniper shootings that plagued my area of the country. But hey give the kid a break he was brain washed by Mohammad.
Remember the mom in Texas that killed all 5 of her children by drowning them then called the police? It got chalked up to Post Natal Depression (or whatever the hell they called it). She knew right from wrong, but hold her accountable? No! She was a victim of a chemical imbalance. She knew it was a sin to kill. She killed her children to save them from burning in hell because she felt she was a bad mother.
As a society we can now blame our parents for our problems. We can blame someone else instead of taking responsibility for ourselves. Man breaks into my house. I beat him to a bloody pulp. He can sue me for assault! WTF is that?
It is not the government's place to give us moral guidance. It is not the lawyers or the judges to give us moral guidance. It is not the responsibility of the school system to give us moral guidance. It is the church's responsibility. It is the parent's responsibility.
You don't like **** or swearing? Then it is your choice not to look at it, buy it, or watch it. You can turn the channel. You can turn the TV off. You don't have to buy that mindless violent game for your 8 year old child. It is up to the parents to lock up the guns in the house.
It is the school's place to teach us about history, science, math, language. It is the governement's place to keep us safe from predators and those that might do us harm. It is not their responsibility to censor life or protect us from ourselves. It is their responsibility to ensure that we have a right to life. It is the judicial system's responsibility to keep those that would harm others out of the general populace. It is the judicial system's responsibility to ensure these criminals can not harm others ever again.
Wrip
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as long as nobody prays...unless it's praying for that job promotion, or for anything else superficial. Then of course go pray your hearts out right?
Pray all you want. Go to church ten times a week if you wish. You are more than welcome to have an intelligent discourse on religion with me. However you do not have the right to force your beliefs on me. If God wanted us all to be the same, we would. God gave us free will. Forced conversion is not free will. Being forced to pray to the Catholic version, the Islam version, the Baptist version, the Pagan version, etc..... is not free will.
Feel free to believe as you wish. This is free will. That is what freedom is.
Edited, Thu Jun 16 12:53:32 2005 by Papawarlock
Wrip wrote:
...why is it everyone on this game says they do not believe in God. Do you think that fact makes you tough? Or are you all just trying to fit in because it's "cool" to trash on things others believe.
ok 1st off. Mucho rude, and I did NOT appreciate the comment.
I don't believe in god, well, because I JUST DONT BELIEVE IN GOD, has nothing to do with feeling macho, and how the sh** can you say not believing in god is trashing on what others believe? That sounds more like you're trying to push it on us (IMHO). All I say is: if God exists, lets see some proof. I'm overtly scientific about things. I don't go around saying people are f**s because they believe in God. I think its nice they can place blind faith in a higher power. Good for them, and a lot of them actually stick to their morals and values, which makes them good friends, and even better humans. I'm sorry to turn this into a flame or rant, I don't mean to, its just that post really struck a nerve. Even people who are athiest have values, so...we're not all sub-human like some people would love to think. Wrip its great you have opinions, but you just don't fight fire with fire hun.
All I said on my first post was that I dont believe in god, i did NOT say the post offended me, personally, but I advised that it MAY offend some. Who knows?
{/rant\ramble}
As long as there are tests in schools, there will always be prayer
Edited, Thu Jun 16 12:45:42 2005 by doomygir
Good lord Tricen... hit the Enter Key once in a while. 
I think it's rather silly to imply that something like the 9/11 terrorist attack was caused by a general decline of morality in our society. Let's get one thing absolutely straight: that attack was caused by crazy people. We could pray in school, have the 10 commandments posted in our government buildings, outlaw ****, and we would STILL have crazy people.
I do think Anne Graham makes a few good points, but overall she comes off as just another relgious wacko. I'm having a hard time deciding if she's saying that God has for some reason caused these terrorist attacks to punish us, or if she's saying that God has withdrawn some sort of protection. Either way, I disagree. I do consider myself a christian, but I've always believed that God doesn't take an active hand in our everyday lives.
Using this same reasoning, why did God allow World War II? Why did he allow the ***** to slaughter millions of innocent people? Why did he allow the Titanic to sink? Why did he allow any number of tragedies throughout our history?
I'm not trying to be an ******* or a bigot, but... how exactly is that possible? An atheist denies that there is a God, and an agnostic claims that it's impossible to know whether or not there is a God. By those definitions, the two are mutually exclusive.
I think it's rather silly to imply that something like the 9/11 terrorist attack was caused by a general decline of morality in our society. Let's get one thing absolutely straight: that attack was caused by crazy people. We could pray in school, have the 10 commandments posted in our government buildings, outlaw ****, and we would STILL have crazy people.
I do think Anne Graham makes a few good points, but overall she comes off as just another relgious wacko. I'm having a hard time deciding if she's saying that God has for some reason caused these terrorist attacks to punish us, or if she's saying that God has withdrawn some sort of protection. Either way, I disagree. I do consider myself a christian, but I've always believed that God doesn't take an active hand in our everyday lives.
Using this same reasoning, why did God allow World War II? Why did he allow the ***** to slaughter millions of innocent people? Why did he allow the Titanic to sink? Why did he allow any number of tragedies throughout our history?
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I'm an agnostic athiest (if you think that is stupid or impossible then you're not very open minded :p)
I'm not trying to be an ******* or a bigot, but... how exactly is that possible? An atheist denies that there is a God, and an agnostic claims that it's impossible to know whether or not there is a God. By those definitions, the two are mutually exclusive.
Wrip, I DO believe in "god". Just cuz I said I wasn't religious doesn't mean that I don't.
Don't make me come burn a cross in your yard. JK bro. But obviously you read me the wrong way. People have freedom to believe and feel what they want. Just cuz I don't follow your Christian, Baptist, Muslim or whatever virtues; doesn't mean I don't believe in a god. Also, just because someone DOESN'T believe in a god, that DOES NOT make them a bad person. I hate when people label Atheists as bad people.
And no, I know that that wasn't Glitter's words, but it might as well be. She feels strongly about it enough to post it here. The ideas and thoughts were interested, but again, I don't agree with it. But this is a free world (or so it should be). I don't have to agree with it to make it "right". Just like she doesn't have to agree with me to make it "right". As long as it's good for YOU, that's good enough. I have my own path that I follow. Is that bad?
Don't make me come burn a cross in your yard. JK bro. But obviously you read me the wrong way. People have freedom to believe and feel what they want. Just cuz I don't follow your Christian, Baptist, Muslim or whatever virtues; doesn't mean I don't believe in a god. Also, just because someone DOESN'T believe in a god, that DOES NOT make them a bad person. I hate when people label Atheists as bad people.
And no, I know that that wasn't Glitter's words, but it might as well be. She feels strongly about it enough to post it here. The ideas and thoughts were interested, but again, I don't agree with it. But this is a free world (or so it should be). I don't have to agree with it to make it "right". Just like she doesn't have to agree with me to make it "right". As long as it's good for YOU, that's good enough. I have my own path that I follow. Is that bad?
hehe guess I will attempt to explain it a little. Athieism (sp?)is where you don't believe in a god and you think when you're dead you're dead, nothing else. Agnosticism (sp?) I think get's split up into two views: I don't know whether there is a god or not so I just won't worry about it until I die, and the other: I don't know what will happen to me after I die.
now this 2nd part is the agnostic part, you put with the athiest part, it means I don't know what will happen to me after I die, but I don't believe in a god.
Now if none of that is correct about agnosticism then I guess my beliefs lie in a whole new category and have no name lol. (at least that I'm aware of)
now this 2nd part is the agnostic part, you put with the athiest part, it means I don't know what will happen to me after I die, but I don't believe in a god.
Now if none of that is correct about agnosticism then I guess my beliefs lie in a whole new category and have no name lol. (at least that I'm aware of)
i know im worm food, and im not a bad person *sniffle*
I think I came off the wrong way with my post. And well I get rated down for having faith.
I'm a catholic. Always have been always will be. it's just what I believe.
Papa I agree with you that people don't take responsibility fot their actions. However I believe there are things that push you to making certain actions.
I know I didn't come across right on the separation of church and state. I think it is a good rule. I think the way it is enforced is a joke. It's not always consistently carried out. That's what I meant. not that there shouldn't be separation.
Papa i'm not trying to force my views on anyone. I don't care if your catholic, hebrew, pagan, jewish, anything. As long as someone has a belief in something. Bar said he was spiritual and likes to be learned in different religions. That's great and I give him credit for that.
Oh and Kimss. It's just not you. Not having faith in any sort of God is the cool thing now.
I'm a catholic. Always have been always will be. it's just what I believe.
Papa I agree with you that people don't take responsibility fot their actions. However I believe there are things that push you to making certain actions.
I know I didn't come across right on the separation of church and state. I think it is a good rule. I think the way it is enforced is a joke. It's not always consistently carried out. That's what I meant. not that there shouldn't be separation.
Papa i'm not trying to force my views on anyone. I don't care if your catholic, hebrew, pagan, jewish, anything. As long as someone has a belief in something. Bar said he was spiritual and likes to be learned in different religions. That's great and I give him credit for that.
Oh and Kimss. It's just not you. Not having faith in any sort of God is the cool thing now.
Wrip wrote:
Oh and Kimss. It's just not you. Not having faith in any sort of God is the cool thing now.
=O =O when did this happen?! >=O >=O
not cool -.- lol jk
i dunno, you should come to where I am and say that being athiest is cool. we pretty much have a church on every corner {/sigh}
Well, I Rated everyone up for having their own ideas that they shared. Papa, I do believe, said it best though. Very very nice Papa. I agree. The moment govenment can preach about "god" is the moment we are in a true hell. In a way, like Kloe, I don't believe in heaven or hell. They are both states of mind to me. I had a terrible life as a kid. I feel that THAT was hell. What is heaven? Hmmm, those relaxing moments that I have in life. Taking a walk while listening to my iPod to clear my mind, taking a good nap, getting off of work early, lol. I have many views of heaven. I do not believe that a god would create us and earth, just to bring the "best" to heaven. There is SO much about this world that we don't know. SO much that we are finding out. Why ditch it for "heaven"? I don't feel a god would create this beautiful planet just to give you a "Sky pass". The walks in "Zi'Tah" can be quite heavenly themselves. Of course nothing is ever perfect, but I appreciate the little things.
*sniff sniff* Ah love you guyssssss {/cry}
oh yeah. DING 500 posts XD
Edited, Thu Jun 16 14:36:23 2005 by doomygir
oh yeah. DING 500 posts XD
Edited, Thu Jun 16 14:36:23 2005 by doomygir
Dammit, I'm late to the party.. Oh well, I'll have to save my earth-shatering opinion for another day. :p
I was bored and wanted to post something well someone already posted about pirates vs ninjas anyway tat was sent to meby another shiva player I couldnt think of anything else to post
and goblins vs orcs who would win was just too dull >.>
and goblins vs orcs who would win was just too dull >.>
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