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oh jesus my uber holy one and only ultimate savior god bless our closed minded america and save us from this great time of evil, bring you into our hearts and save us from all mighty sins. look down on us and let your glorious light shine down from saturn and makes us one with you're almight god so we can once again be free from sins and eat the sweet fruits of your wonderful holyness kingdom. oh kind jesus save me from the lies and descepetion from these evil posters who wish to smither you into a dark emptyness of lonelyness and hatred BLAH BLAH BLAH OMFG stfu

theres a reason why its kept out of schools and government and its the same reason it should be kept out of fourms.

Yeah, Nine. Please be constructive...

Or I might have to OWN YO AZZ IN BALLISTA FOO

wow lighten up you all, its a _joke_

ooooo, I really wish I hadn't come across this post, I could spend hours boring you all with my opinions on religion.

I'll just try to keep it short. I don't know that I would consider myself an athiest ... I'm pretty sure there is no God, but there are times when I'm able to convince myself its possible, and a lot of the time I hope there is a higher power, but 99% of the time I am convinced there is no God.

I do resent most religions, because all too often they preach one thing and practice something completely different.

I don't think of myself as fashionably atheist, although I do understand where one might get the idea that atheism is becoming a trend.

The most important thing I want to mention here though, is how unfortunate I think it is that people find religion and morality to be almost synonymous. When people blame a decrease in morality on the growing regulation of Religion, nothing else gets my blood boiling more. If Religion is the basis of morality, then naturally atheism is the basis of immorality.

Thats just plain offensive. I pride myself on never compromising my morals and always standing by what I think is right. Just because I happen to be one of those people that think God should be left for personal life, and kept out of public forums, does not mean that I contribute to a decline in morality.

I don't believe in God so you're going to blame child pornography, violence, and abortions on me? Maybe not me personally, but if you believe the cause of those things are people who do not believe in God, then you're blaming it on people like me.

How offended would you be if I did the same thing to you? For instance, what if I blamed the Catholicism for producing a psyche that made one more inclined to molest children? Certainly I could point to the priest molestation scandle, but do you think it would be fair for me to lump you in with them just because I disagree with your religion as a whole?

So while you may not agree with atheism, please try to understand that there are good people and bad people in both camps.

Tricen, Pagans and Jehovah's Witnesses are religions.

The topic is about god and religion in our society.

What part of that did you miss?

/pwnt

guess it's my turn at bat on this one... ^_^

There's point where Religion becomes a bad thing... Remember the Crusades? Millions died just because they didn't believe in Christ the way the Europeans did. How about the times in Asia where whole Temples of Buddhist monks woudl be lsaughtered just because they believed more in their faith than in the Lord that held power over the land their Temple was on? And of course, i'll even use 9-11 as an example: A group of people got together to devastate and attack america just because we don't belive the same way they do. I mean... is it really impossible that some of the people that died in 9-11 were Muslims as well? think about it.

America is a diverse and great place. It's rare to find a country where you can walk across the street as an atheist and meet a Catholic, a protestant, and a hindu all withing three steps. The problem arises when those beliefs clash, just like during the crusades... People are willing to die for what they believe in, and that's human nature.

But to say that prayer in shcool is bad... to say that Bad stuff happens to America because we're not religious enough... to say that God = Religion... it's all just really, really indignant...

Honestly, I think organized religion is the biggest mistake humanity's ever made... but that's just me... Everything has it's purpose. And to say that people can't pray in school, or that our President's bad because he prays every day... C'mon people!! America was founded on the ideas of Religious tolerance and acceptance. So what if teh guy next to you is Jewish? So what if the youngest member of your Orthodox Catholic family Converts to Shinto??

It's like people that pick their nose... They're not picking your nose... So let it go!

Of course, i don't condone any of the bad things that were mentioned in that initial post... Though most of them were funny to me, including the pornography one... But think of it this way... I like girls, so does that mean that by my liking the same gender i'm going to hell?? I doubt it.

In the end, God, Allah, Jehova, Osiris, Zeus, whatever you wanna call him/her/it... It's all the same, just with different names. A little faith goes a long way... a Lot of faith may make you seem overly devout... but excessive amoutns of faith lead to really bad things.

The Bible was not written by God. It was not Written by men that were inspired by God... It was written by Men who saw their lives being Touched by God.

Faith has it place in everyone's life, and to challenge someone's faith usually gets them upset.

Last thing: Stuff like this doesn't need to be On the Shiva Forums... FFXI was made to escape Reality... Let's try to leave it that way, yeah??