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There are HNMLS that go for nothing but making large sums of gil.

There are HNMLS that go for gil but are more focused on having fun with the hunt.

Some will argue there's no difference. That both groups are having fun or both are going for gil.

There is a difference betwixt the two in my opinion.

The difference is simple to me. Are you having fun? For me, having fun doesn't mean farming sky 7 days a week. Having fun isn't spending hours upon hours going for 1 HNM until we get it. Having fun is going out, doing missions, skilling up with friends, doing bcnms, or popping in and saying "Hey guys, ah've got the pop items for the NM that drops the item ah'd love to have. Who's interested in setting a date to kill or be killed?".

When ye have people getting pissed cause they lost a claim or died then y'ain't having fun. When ye do nothing but the same thing day in and day out, y'ain't having fun.

But, this is how ah see it. Not everyone sees it the same way.

We don't care if people want to call us an HNM linkshell, we just don't call ourselves that. It was never a big deal until someone decided to try to insult us on it on VN, but that was more an attempt to make us look bad than caring about what we're doing.

What does it matter what we call ourselves? We can call ourselves a Linkshell Dedicated to the Extermination of Opo-Opos and it still is going to mean absolutely nothing to anyone outside our linkshell.

Personally, while we sometimes go after HNM I don't feel we do this often enough to be termed an HNM linkshell. To me, an HNM linkshell is a linkshell that goes after HNMs every day, day in day out, regardless of the HNM. My linkshell might go after one HNM in a week if we have a ToD. I personally hate camping HNMs and try to avoid it as much as possible, even though my linkshellies guilt me into it when they can.

Some people in my linkshell call my linkshell an HNM linkshell. Others still haven't completed LB1 and have no clue what an HNM is let alone that they are in an HNM linkshell. While others still are former members of some of the big name HNM linkshells and joined us to get an escape from the HNM grind but still a taste now and then.

LacysDad, you should just make your linkshell what you want it to be, not what others want you to make it. It is, after all, your linkshell.

I don't know. I agree with Neorei and Lacysdad, though they have different opinions.

I agree with Lacysdad, in that he doesn't want to be termed a "HNMLS", being that most people have something against them. I was one of those ppl. Being called an "Endgame LS" does sound better...but like Neorei said, you pretty much do the same thing anyway. It's like taking taking a library and calling it a "house of books." Same thing, different name.

That idea/technique will attract ppl that don't like the "HNMLS" idea, but in the end...it's the same thing, and you will find out together. But as long as you get your gear, gil and have fun...it's all good.

I see HNMLSs like cars. You just gotta pick the right one for you. Don't get one that has "terrible gas-mileage", etc. Get one that's "economical" and at the same time, "fun to drive". Dependable and worth your time and effort. If all else fails, ride the bus.

being in a HNMls is no differnet from being a regular LS that hunts the same yago, orc, or quadv for AF. It's just this time your items drop from dynamis, faffy and ************ serket.

your goal is the same as my goal, get people happy as possiable while having some sort of fun in the game of fustration. and i bet it's the same as every other LS that is considered or considers themselves as HNMls.

but i personally feel that when ya'll call yourself "end game" LS and don't wanna be called a HNMls it's like a big slap to my LS face cause ya'll do the exact same thing we do. it's like ya'll don't deal with dumb HNM but you still go for it.

it's like saying i'm not asian when i am. i bet my asian peeps will be annoyed if they heard that.


i'll let ya'll go on with ya'll topic, i'm sorry if i said anything to disrupt your topic.

I think Neo meant that most HNM/Sky LS's also do ENMs, CoP, Rank Missions, etc. also. The lable HNMLS just means that linkshell also goes for the higher level notorious monsters in addition to all the other things that come with being a linkshell. i.e. helping their members with progressing in the game whether it be rank missions, AF, etc. well that's how I see it.

oh yeah /angry neo~ don't evar deny your asian roots lol XD

Not to hijack your thread, but I decided that every Friday night I was going to bring in hot Mithran hookers and have them dance for us. On those nights, we will call FU an "Entertainment" linkshell.

Here is my thought on it. When I think of shells like HoCD, Vindicated, Dark Legacy, ect. ect. ect., it seems to me their main focus is on gods and/or dynamis and their drops. Most "HNMSL" required level 65+ mages, 70+ melee and sky access. Also, only certain jobs are needed at certain times because you are gearing up to fill voids to take down the gods/HNMs. I think of LS owned items, LS bank, sky points and camping HNMs for a good chunk of time.

Personally, this does not sound fun to me. I know EXACTLY what DVSIII is trying to accomplish. Do end game stuff (which involves HNMs and sky) but to recruit members whose main focus is not on the HNMs, Gods or their drops. Why do I know exactly what they are trying to do? Because LordsoftheBeast is trying to do the same thing.

As most of you know, Lords is a job specific shell for Beastmasters. Well, we now have about 20-30 65+ BST and a ton of others making their way there and are able to participate in end game stuff, but most are not into the HNMLS scene. Nothing against those people that are, if that makes you happy go for it. However, we are able to kill HNMs easily (have killed Serket, Guivre, Cactrot Rapido, Vivian and are prepping to do some gods and others), but we hunt these things for one purpose only.....the thrill of the fight. The drops are just a bonus and if we get it, Rare/EXE gets lotted and AH stuff gets sold and split by the participants. Hell, we kill Guivre any chance we get and we all know Guivre drops absolutely nothing. I cannot tell you how many NM we have killed and then after it is dead have asked "wonder what does it drop anyways?"

Because we have so many high levels that like to do things all BST, we have organized into what I would call a partial end-game LS (partial because we still have a ton of pre 50 members too, so we are still doing LBs, AFs, Rank 2-6, ect.). Do we hunt HNMs? Sure. Are we gonna farm Sky? absolutely. Are we gonna tackle Dynamis? Already doing so with DVS and plan on taking a stab all BST (yeah yeah, I know...we won't be able to w/o mages...but like I said before, it is the sport/challenge we do it for and you never know till you try). However, our main focus is on doing stuff all BST, which includes CoP, ZMs, Rank, NMs, HNMs, Gods, whatever. So does this make us a HNMLS? I think most would say no. Just a LS with a bunch of high level like minded people that enjoy killing stuff all BST all the time.

Side note to Meara: I read all that crap on VN....now you know how LoTB felt after the whole Serket fiasco. We were dragged through the mud unwillingly, blind sided by the HNMLs Drama we did not even know existed till that happened. As i stated during that whole deal, there is two sides to every story, and in this sage the people against SF will skew the story any way possible to make your shell/members look bad (like they did LoTB). My advice, ignore them, the whole thing will blow over soon.

Good luck to DVSIII, I know what you are trying to do and I applaud you for it. BTW...if you ever do a weekday Dynamis run, let LoTB know...Personally I really want to go but Saturday afternoons (I am west coast so it is 5pm when it starts) is just impossible for me.

Lokii, in regards to being about the gear and drops, most LS's that want that gear don't want it to just show off, they want it to make thier LS better. I am sorry, but you take a LS filled with AH armor to the 3 Kings, the Dragons, even I would assume Dynamis Xcabard, you are really decreasing your chances to win. Those things are hard enough as it is when you show up in the best gear possible.

So any LS that does not want to take on the Mobs mentioned above, really has no reason to concern themselves with all that armor.

I don't want to say anything bad in regards to DVS because they have alot of great people there, but Lokii, some of thier leaders are not as innocent as they want to appear in regards to God armor. There was alot of talk about wanting Osodes, Shura gear, Adaman gear.

I think the true thrill for most people lies in watching Vtra or the Dynamis Lord fall before your eyes, not in the gear they are wearing when they do it. The gear is just needed to help you get to the stage to watch these mobs die at your hand.

I know I have contributed too it, but why does every thread on here get highjacked?.


Rated everyone up in this thread. I don't see it as a flame war and with the point I made I was not trying to flame either. I just know that DVS members have wants and desires for cerain gear as well, and stating that they don't is just lying. Thier focus is just at a slower more laid back pace. Also to note, I never force anyone to come to sky or do events in my LS, it is encouraged, but never forced upon, we just have alot of people that enjoy those things.

Edited, Wed Aug 17 15:13:45 2005 by Proroc

Just to clarify, I didn't intend to specifically implicate Wasp, or any LS in my post. And for many people, yes that is what they want and they can afford that much time - more power to them. Just saying it doesn't work for me.

I remember I was on one website while investigating LS's and there was something about "if you're online, and there's an event, you're required to attend; doesn't matter if you're in a party, etc." Then when I looked at the calendar, there was a sky or sea run scheduled every night at the only times I get to play. So you can imagine that wouldn't work for me - I'd have no time to level or do anything else.

Personally, I would think it's fair to expect a minimum attendace of at least one or two events per month, but no way I myself could committ to the number that particular site expected.

edited: by request of a friend.

Edited, Thu Aug 18 21:13:19 2005 by Proroc

woot kramers post wasn't edited!

and it was a long one too O.o