Human Beings {can I have it}Follow

... and this last post is one reason why people have a dislike for you Kramer.

Part of being a human being is not rubbing things in.

I have kind of sat by and watched the crap fly around the forums since your departure from DVS. I promise that this will be my only comment on the matter and on the stupidity that has plagued the boards as of late.

(For those that will surely flame this comment, most of what I am going to say I have said to Kramer personally, and I am using my in-game name in my sig.)

1. I was EXTREMELY pissed off at how things went down when you left DVS. I think Shinkyu screwed up in a major way and did not handle the situation correctly. While I stand by his right to simply ask for confirmation of sky point totals he went about it all wrong.

I also fault you, Kramer, for how you handled it. I have told you before that one of your biggest faults as a leader is that you do NOT take criticem well. As a leader people will ask for an accounting of your actions (ask the President). When people criticize the President for how he handled something he doesnt get mad and run off to start his own country.

2. What happens in your LS is your business but when it gets brought here...

Megamammy should not have used the N word, period. And I actually must applaud you for having a set of standards for kicking him for being rude and abusive. I also agree with Sophus that as a leader you have a right to have your favorites since most of the time those are called friends.

However, your set of standards should be fairly and evenly applied across the board. Whether or not someone is your friend does not/should not give them free reign to be rude and abusive themselves. Hiki and Segomo are disgustig individuals. I have PTed with them for the last time and from the respsones a great number of people are also offended by them. So why allow those players to stay when others are kicked for abusive behavior?

3. Kramer, I know you have great respect for Miriel. I think that is because you and I both know that Miriel is a fantastic leader. Take some pages from his book.

Leaders seek to hold together not tear apart.
Leaders seek to encourage harmony not develop conflict.
Leaders are fair to all not fair to some.


Getting 70, 80, or 90 people into your LS doesnt make you a leader. It makes you a recruiter. What you do with those people that come to you... that makes you a leader.

You and I have not always seen eye to eye. And we have had our problems with each other. But I respected your ability to get things done and your knowledge of this game. What I continue to have an issue with is your inability to control your comments. Yes, Jae should have kept his mouth shut and not flamed you at every turn as Thetrolley. But how are you any better by turning around and insulting him time after time?

Let it go... both of... all of you!

I should not have to explain inter LS issues here, but it seems I have to.

Hiki and Seg may get a little raunchy is LS chat, but they do not go around saying these things in /shout or /say. They both are very helpful players and not out only for themselves. Also despite the fact that some may be offened at how they talk on occasion (which they do not talk like that often at all), the majority of the LS likes both of them and gets along well with them.

Megamanny was helpful at first until he got what he wanted. He got his Joyuse and Genbu shield and after that if anyone wanted his help it was like pulling teeth. He was always offeneding the Tarus in our LS by saying how he liked to fondle them and had some sick fetish for Taru's. He had a very combative attitude and would not listen to what leaders had to say. Majority of the LS did not like him or get along with him. Also I would never have replied to Megas thread in the first place if he had not decided to attempt to bash Wasp in the first place.

Agirlyman sorry to bring you into this, but I must explain. He would argue alot with LS members on top of talking the way he did in the LS. He taunted other LS's and players. My biggest peeve was the way he talked in shouts. Not only was he telling another LS to suck his c**k in shouts at Ulli camp, but he would do things like that in shout often. This past weekend after he hd been gone awhile from Wasp I was in Yhoator jungle leveling my whm and I see him shouting to someone "I like the smell of your girlfriends pu**y". So I do not have anything against AGM personally, but that is why he is no longer in Wasp.

As for talking about people leaving and not being kicked, there has only been one person to leave Wasp that I actually was sad to hear go, and he left due to people like Megamanny because of the way he talked in the LS and the selfish attitude.

Alekzander as for my leadership skills just because I choose not to lead like Miriel does, does not make me not as good of a leader as him. He waits for people to leave his shell then breathes a sigh of relief when they do, he does not kick the people he doesn't like from the shell. Miriel is a laid back helpful leader. In regards to you saying I was bad a person for a rebutle to Jae admitting to being the trolley, well he was the one who decided to be a coawrd and flame me under a fake name, only to show who he really was when threat of legal action arose. Shinkyu and I don't get along, but after this incident I have more respect for Shinkyu than I have for Jae, shi[i][/i]t I actually have NO RESPECT for Jae after this.

Well that is all, I am done with this thread until the next person wants to make a troll or criticize my leadership skills.

Miggleworm all I have to say to you is why do you have Cedric Benson a back up running back in your line up for the season opener?

This thread is ******* irony at its best.

Jae is a coward for useing a sock, and Kramer called him out on it as he should have.

As for the LS drama you guys brought up, maybe you should show a little respect for doomy, and start a thread about it, instead of hijacking this thread, that was specifically made against this LS drama crap. I really dont see why you felt the need to publicize your feelings about kramers leadership skill lacysdad. I understand you feel strongly about it, and i am not saying your right or wrong, but why did you post that for the whole server to see? Does the whole server need to know? Does the whole server care?


Anyways, back to some upbeat fun, enough of the drama.

I concur with Sophus, and with Chiiru's original post. You guys hate each other - fine. Move on with your lives, stop bashing each other - it accomplishes nothing, gets others upset, and ultimately you should have better things to do or focus your attention on. LS's should manage their own internal affairs and stop criticizing how others are run or who is in them. We all have to see each other in game. The least we can do is show a little courtesy to one another and put aside our differences for the sake of being able to enjoy ourselves when we're playing.

OOOO i love ice cream to Calvern >.>

Sup chiiru,kramer,seg,,mega,and Jae :D:D

wat yall been up 2

Edited, Thu Sep 8 17:02:21 2005 by ezsticks

BACKUP!!!! I thought I had all of that fixed ><

Doesn't matter, I have enough offense without him anyways :P

I'll go check that out now.

I like ice cream, too...

After humping Barchiel in Lower Jeuno, along with other friends that happen to pass by, shouting random comments, having a flame war with Messenger, then giving him a good humping, then humping you and shouting, "WHO'S yOUR DADDY?!" in Lower Jeuno...

But ice cream is a nice touch. :D


~Nieko